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That is the question. Or really, when to IMS. Read on.
I have a 2001 C4 Cabriolet, 6 speed, 55k miles. I am the 3rd owner.
Since I bought the car a few years ago, I have done Blackstone reports every oil change, and also have done a bore scope of the engine (right after I bought it).
I decided to wait on the IMS since the failure rate is low, and at some point it would need a clutch, so I might as well wait. All good logic for a long term owner (IMO).
The clutch is fine but getting heavier (no slipping) and will need to be done in the next 10-15k miles I suspect.
Since I bought my 2022 Model 3 Performance, I have barely touched the 911. I told myself it would never happen, but well, there it is.
I also don't have a garage anymore, so doing work myself is a lot more difficult.
So I'm thinking about selling the 996. The smart thing to do is get the IMS and AOS done, clutch change, spark plugs, etc which will run about 5k.
Or, sell it as is, to someone who knows that work is pending and understands why it's not done yet.
Opinions?
i have bought and sold several 911s at this point. In most cases the IMS having been replaced is a good incentive to buy your car over others but affects the price very little. I would definitely sell it as is…
fwiw hagerty valuation tool knocks off 15% for cars that haven't had IMS bearing remediation and I think a lot of buyers would do about the same.
He'd have to expect $33K for the car for that to be a reason for spending the money up front, and even at that it would be a wash. I agree with the folks who are advising him to sell as-is.
18295704[/url]]That is the question. Or really, when to IMS. Read on.
I have a 2001 C4 Cabriolet, 6 speed, 55k miles. I am the 3rd owner.
Since I bought the car a few years ago, I have done Blackstone reports every oil change, and also have done a bore scope of the engine (right after I bought it).
I decided to wait on the IMS since the failure rate is low, and at some point it would need a clutch, so I might as well wait. All good logic for a long term owner (IMO).
The clutch is fine but getting heavier (no slipping) and will need to be done in the next 10-15k miles I suspect.
Since I bought my 2022 Model 3 Performance, I have barely touched the 911. I told myself it would never happen, but well, there it is.
I also don't have a garage anymore, so doing work myself is a lot more difficult.
So I'm thinking about selling the 996. The smart thing to do is get the IMS and AOS done, clutch change, spark plugs, etc which will run about 5k.
Or, sell it as is, to someone who knows that work is pending and understands why it's not done yet.
Opinions?
How is the M3P not boring? Are you fully exercising the throttle pedal on the car? I nearly bought one myself, and it was quite fun, but lacking a manual trans and noise, the only way that car was not boring was when I drove it spiritedly. Whereas the 996 is fun all the time.
BTW, my 996 IMSB hasn’t been changed either. It’s a 99 and I am waiting to see if I need a clutch, although the way I drive, I won’t likely need one for another 50k miles.
That is the question. Or really, when to IMS. Read on.
I have a 2001 C4 Cabriolet, 6 speed, 55k miles. I am the 3rd owner.
Since I bought the car a few years ago, I have done Blackstone reports every oil change, and also have done a bore scope of the engine (right after I bought it).
I decided to wait on the IMS since the failure rate is low, and at some point it would need a clutch, so I might as well wait. All good logic for a long term owner (IMO).
The clutch is fine but getting heavier (no slipping) and will need to be done in the next 10-15k miles I suspect.
Since I bought my 2022 Model 3 Performance, I have barely touched the 911. I told myself it would never happen, but well, there it is.
I also don't have a garage anymore, so doing work myself is a lot more difficult.
So I'm thinking about selling the 996. The smart thing to do is get the IMS and AOS done, clutch change, spark plugs, etc which will run about 5k.
Or, sell it as is, to someone who knows that work is pending and understands why it's not done yet.
As others have said - sell it as-is. When I sold mine a few years ago most people that called and talked to me about it hadn't heard of the IMS and certainly hadn't heard of the IMS Solution that I'd installed.
Originally Posted by b3freak
Tesla offers a pretty solid warranty on the batteries, and if you look at the cost per kWH it is trending very quickly downward. In 5-10 years when the warranties are up the prices of the batteries are going to be much more affordable.
Sell the Tesla and keep the 996. Tesla will be obsolete in 5 years and the 996 will not.
The 996 is already obsolete in a lot of ways. The Tesla may be superceded, but will not be obsolete.
This is my 2nd Tesla. When Covid hit I wasn't commuting, so I sold my Model 3 SR+ and got the 911 I had always dreamed of (well, as close as I could afford anyway).
Moved cross country, brought the 911, and recently got the Model 3 Performance. It lacks the feel, the sounds, the sensations of the 911.
But it is so, so much faster and more responsive. The 911 in comparison feels slow when I change vehicles.
I might still keep both, but the 911 is just sitting there, garageless, and the "free fuel" car is the one I gravitate to every day.
It looks cool, it makes nice sounds, but the Tesla does almost everything better, much to my surprise.
18299794]The 996 is already obsolete in a lot of ways. The Tesla may be superceded, but will not be obsolete.
This is my 2nd Tesla. When Covid hit I wasn't commuting, so I sold my Model 3 SR+ and got the 911 I had always dreamed of (well, as close as I could afford anyway).
Moved cross country, brought the 911, and recently got the Model 3 Performance. It lacks the feel, the sounds, the sensations of the 911.
But it is so, so much faster and more responsive. The 911 in comparison feels slow when I change vehicles.
I might still keep both, but the 911 is just sitting there, garageless, and the "free fuel" car is the one I gravitate to every day.
It looks cool, it makes nice sounds, but the Tesla does almost everything better, much to my surprise.
Tesla really needs to have a program that synthetically delivers feel and sound. They can imitate shifting, allow for manual ‘shifts’ and a lumpy V8 or a screaming V12 if they wanted to. And before anyone says that’s fake, so is sim racing, but sim racing is awesome and better than an Atari.
I agree, my 996 felt ancient and slow after I tested an M3P.
Last edited by Mike Murphy; 08-18-2022 at 04:44 PM.
If you're after speed, acceleration and response nothing can compete with an EV at a remotely similar price point. If that's the case sell the 911. Too many things need to happen within an engine and transmission to get you moving. In an EV it's as quick and easy as flipping a light switch. It's near instant. If that's what you're after then you're in a good spot with a Tesla. If you're after a more engaging experience then a 911 is your ticket. I recently listened to a podcast where Gordon Murray was the guest. When they designed their recent cars, the only thing that mattered was the experience. Targets such as 0-60, 0-100, lap time at name your track were simply not an objective. All that is getting played out IMHO and I wonder if other auto makers will ever take this approach. Not holding my breath.
also, there are a lot faster cars, even in the tesla range. Before I got my 911 I had a big turbo RS3. Blows my friends m3p out of the water. But a new model S or model Y would blow the RS3 out of the water. the m3p was designed to be obsolete to sell the model S. It is a fun little people-mover though.
I don’t get all this ‘designed to be obsolete’ talk, given all tech becomes obsolete. Many people already think that an internal combustion engine made in 2022 is already obsolete. None of the appliances in my house are smart or can even adjust their own clocks during a daylight savings time change, and yet, it’s all still useful. A 992 911 with an ICE engine will still be just as useful as a M3P in 10 years, even if many cars are autonomous by then and we have robotic house cleaners. There’s always going to be residual value in old appliances, older vehicles, where the cost of a replacement is not always easily justified or makes sense. Replacing my 12 yr-old $4500 Jen-Air refrigerator with a smart fridge doesn’t make sense to me.
Keeping a 996 alive and out of the scrap heap by replacing an IMSB for x$$ can be considered ‘green’ and/or economically efficient if it keeps one from discarding the vehicle and purchasing a new electric car that’s powered by coal. Most of the cost is labor, which is good for Americans. Depends on how many miles driven, but many 996 owners aren’t piling on the mileage anyway.
I agree in every way. I shouldn't say obsolete. what I really meant is that at the time of it's design, the model S already existed and had more straight line speed. not obsolete, just not designed to be the top of the range.
So how much will EV technology change over the next 10 years?
Will an EV powered car ever be considered a classic?
My guess is that batteries will improve 5% per year, and software and tech will improve 10% or more per year. As for motors, suspension, chassis and all that, it should just evolve like everything else.
Now, if autonomous vehicles ever take off, and today’s EV fleet cannot do that, EVs will be just another car, nothing that special, except lower TCO and still very good power. Tesla might have an edge here, though, as they already have high powered GPUs for self-driving.
Will an EV be considered a classic? Probably. Depends on the EV though. The 1897 hybrid Porsche is probably worth a fortune. The 918 is a hybrid and certainly going to be special. The hybrid 911 will be. The original Tesla roadster is for sure, a classic.
08-10-2022, 10:03 PM
