Prices Keep Drifting Up
01-05-2022, 03:47 PM
#4546
"pure driving pleasure and quality" are the only metrics a 911 beats anything in because its subjective lollin
01-05-2022, 03:47 PM
#4547
the chop-top VW bug
01-05-2022, 03:49 PM
#4548
Relisted '99 that didn't meet reserve in September 2021 at $35,996 -- even with a weird-ish ding on the Carfax. Another sign of BaT listing deterioration? Used to be that relists had to go up with no reserve.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-252/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-252/
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01-05-2022, 03:54 PM
#4550
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I think Mike meant sports cars not sedans or SUVs. However my son does want a 2003 Audi S8 which he grew up in. But he does not want an Audi Q7. Just saying...
01-05-2022, 04:32 PM
#4551
Bingo. Every generation has their own state of the art example to drool upon. For some Gen X folks, it’s the mid 80’s cars. Supra, 930 turbo, lots to pick from. For some boomers, the late 60’s and early 70’s. Cars their parents had or they had when they were young and traded away when they decided to get married and have kids.
Which stands to reason, a 12-yr old today is going to be drooling over the current 911s. The 992s, however big and heavy they might be compared to a 996, are the current pinnacle of the 911 in many ways, and still beat the snot out of other cool cars in terms of pure driving pleasure and quality. Camaro 1LE, BMW M3, Shelby Mustang, any Hellcat-engines car. They are all great examples, but the 992 is better than all of these, IMO. Especially when we compare at the top end (GT2s and GT3s).
Which stands to reason, a 12-yr old today is going to be drooling over the current 911s. The 992s, however big and heavy they might be compared to a 996, are the current pinnacle of the 911 in many ways, and still beat the snot out of other cool cars in terms of pure driving pleasure and quality. Camaro 1LE, BMW M3, Shelby Mustang, any Hellcat-engines car. They are all great examples, but the 992 is better than all of these, IMO. Especially when we compare at the top end (GT2s and GT3s).
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I'm all about the Japanese stuff. Don't care at all for muscle cars or air cooled Porsches (aside from the 993). Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority in this regard.
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01-05-2022, 04:41 PM
#4552
Drifting
A Classic 911 is an immortal and international commodity that transcends culture, language, and generations. Chevy Camaro, not so much
I've wondered how the muscle cars and such will fare once the Boomers all die off. Do they remain hugely expensive and desirable, or do they go the way of brass era cars, Model Ts, etc? Obviously desirable to some but not as many, and thus start losing value?
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I'm all about the Japanese stuff. Don't care at all for muscle cars or air cooled Porsches (aside from the 993). Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority in this regard.
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I'm all about the Japanese stuff. Don't care at all for muscle cars or air cooled Porsches (aside from the 993). Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority in this regard.
01-05-2022, 04:52 PM
#4553
Rennlist Member
I've wondered how the muscle cars and such will fare once the Boomers all die off. Do they remain hugely expensive and desirable, or do they go the way of brass era cars, Model Ts, etc? Obviously desirable to some but not as many, and thus start losing value?
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I'm all about the Japanese stuff. Don't care at all for muscle cars or air cooled Porsches (aside from the 993). Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority in this regard.
I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I'm all about the Japanese stuff. Don't care at all for muscle cars or air cooled Porsches (aside from the 993). Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority in this regard.
01-05-2022, 04:56 PM
#4554
Three Wheelin'
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of a 68/69 Stang or Camaro, but I'd never go out of my way to buy either one, or really any classic muscle car. A 993 on the other hand, I would love to own one day, but I'm too cheap to spend what they fetch these days (and for the foreseeable future).
01-05-2022, 05:45 PM
#4555
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Hi all:
This thread has taken a very interesting turn. I am a boomer who owned Porsche in college years (a long time for me) and post college years. I owned a 356 Super 90, and a 912. I almost owned a 911 T but went muscle in a Z28 simply due to luggage needs when I was looking for a woman to be my partner for life. So then in the intervening years I went BMW for a long time just because of the size and trip capability. But now I've come home. When I went for the first test drive on my 996.2, I knew I had come home. The controls just fell to hand and the pedals were right where I expected them and I was in love. There is a quality that Porsche has that reaches inside my soul and lights me up. But here I will perhaps step into controversy by saying that from a driver's perspective, my 911 is a world apart from the early 911 I almost owned. The power is impressive, and the sound of that flat six back there is reminiscent of the 911, but so much more robust. The comfort and instruments are superb. Yet the controls and instruments are simple and free of the current trend in automobile technology, including Porsche, to have chips controlling so many functions. Of course I realize my 4S has "nannies" built in, but few. I am a driver, not a collector, or trader. I expect this car will be the last Porsche I own but she will be pampered and maintained sparing no expense. Why? Because I can.
In my view the 996 from a driver's perspective is a far superior platform to the 911s circa 1970's-1990's. Guys buy Porsche for many reasons, some perhaps to recover lost youth. And that's cool. But regardless of the reason, Porsche is a commitment, a life.
Rick
This thread has taken a very interesting turn. I am a boomer who owned Porsche in college years (a long time for me) and post college years. I owned a 356 Super 90, and a 912. I almost owned a 911 T but went muscle in a Z28 simply due to luggage needs when I was looking for a woman to be my partner for life. So then in the intervening years I went BMW for a long time just because of the size and trip capability. But now I've come home. When I went for the first test drive on my 996.2, I knew I had come home. The controls just fell to hand and the pedals were right where I expected them and I was in love. There is a quality that Porsche has that reaches inside my soul and lights me up. But here I will perhaps step into controversy by saying that from a driver's perspective, my 911 is a world apart from the early 911 I almost owned. The power is impressive, and the sound of that flat six back there is reminiscent of the 911, but so much more robust. The comfort and instruments are superb. Yet the controls and instruments are simple and free of the current trend in automobile technology, including Porsche, to have chips controlling so many functions. Of course I realize my 4S has "nannies" built in, but few. I am a driver, not a collector, or trader. I expect this car will be the last Porsche I own but she will be pampered and maintained sparing no expense. Why? Because I can.
In my view the 996 from a driver's perspective is a far superior platform to the 911s circa 1970's-1990's. Guys buy Porsche for many reasons, some perhaps to recover lost youth. And that's cool. But regardless of the reason, Porsche is a commitment, a life.
Rick
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01-05-2022, 06:15 PM
#4556
Ok boomer
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01-05-2022, 06:30 PM
#4557
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01-05-2022, 06:35 PM
#4558
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A white 99 with not too many miles looks like it’s underpriced? https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/7...ff=share_other
01-05-2022, 07:33 PM
#4559
A white 99 with not too many miles looks like it’s underpriced? https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/7...ff=share_other
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01-05-2022, 07:39 PM
#4560
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I would bet a bottle of Luis' favorite whiskey, that the majority of folks on this thread tracking prices, those buying on BAT and the majority of new 996 owners are Millenials.
The Millenial generation is the largest population group in the history of the US, far superior in numbers than Boomers. And Millenials are now entering their rising earnings years from 40-65.
Whether it's an extra $1600 or not, they are the major buying force.
The Millenial generation is the largest population group in the history of the US, far superior in numbers than Boomers. And Millenials are now entering their rising earnings years from 40-65.
Whether it's an extra $1600 or not, they are the major buying force.