merlot

As the title implies, I'm quite certain my 966.2 C2 which was purchased from a dealer has bore scoring (it pains me to admit this). Without having done any type of inspection, it does have all the symptoms: 1 - drinks oil - I have to add close to a quart every few hundred miles, 2 - It ticks, 3 - I spews soot out the pipe (moresoe the driver's side) - my garage floor and items leaning against the wall behind the car are splattered. I would be completely surprised to hear this vehicle was fine. Anyway, the dealer I bought from was very nice, CarFax approved dealer. I had a PPI before signing anything and was told bore scoring was rare when I asked about it. The big ticket item of course was there was no documentation, so I decided to replace the IMS. Along those lines the AOS was done and the RMS and clutch were inspected. I was told it was a great running vehicle. I should also mention the place that did the PPI does some work for this dealer. There was no other place to get a PPI within a reasonable distance.

Since it's highly likely the car already had bore scoring when I bought it (I remember seeing the soot from the tailpipes on the dealer floor when I went to pick it up, but was so excited I brushed it off as just condensation since it was winter), is it possible the dealer could be held responsible for selling a defective car? I checked NJ lemon laws and it's not clear if I do. What is clear is the As-is means no warranty - but I'm not looking at warranty work, I'm looking at buying a vehicle that was defective on the showroom floor. I'm probably screwed at this point, yes?

Having said that, I LOVE THE CAR.

Dr_Strangelove

"Screwed" is relative. Bright side - you still own a Porsche. To answer your question, diligence was done and the issue was not caught. Yeah, you're pretty much on your own buying "as-is".

Chris(MA)

First of all don't try and beat yourself up. Plenty of us bought with no PPI (inc me).

You can try your best, be polite at first with the dealer then ratchet up the pressure if it doesn't get you anywhere.

You may find eventually a threat of legal action might grease some wheels but who knows?

wildbilly32

^^^Won't hurt to try.

How long have you owned the car?

NE1N-11

"As Is" means "As Is" What I mean by that is... if you drive away and the car splits in two pieces 1 mile from the dealer, you now own two halves of a car. A dealer is only required to make sure it stops, starts as steers at time of delivery (in regards to as-is sales.)

I see you're in South Jersey.. where at? I'm in Mt Laurel/Cherry Hill.

sasilverbullet

You can still ask the dealer nicely for help, ask for half of the repair price. He probably made a killing on the sale!

If that doesn't work threaten to take him to court.

If he's a big dealer and doesn't want his name dragged through the society muck he might just pony up and help you.

Bottom line, he's under no legal obligation to.

SoCal911t

I assume the laws vary by state. Having said that, I haven't bought a car from a dealer in 30 years so I don't have a clue what they are here much less in New Jersey. I would by all means approach the dealer but I suspect you are screwed.

SilverBane

If he has no legal obligation to help, how would it be fair to drag him name through the society muck. The dealer literally has to do nothing. You can ask, but it would be completely by his grace. You have no entitlement here.

merlot

Bought it mid December 2018 and have put about 3K miles on it.

I'm at Exit 2 on the TP, but work an hour away near the AC airport, which is the area from which I purchased.

He's not a big dealer. He receives very good reviews and he was a pleasure to talk with; he's an ex-pro race driver. The first ride in the 996 with him at the wheel was magical with the way he perfectly heel-toed, but I digress. I'm not the type to air dirty laundry to the public, especially if it's unwarranted.

cds72911

1) you are just speculating that it has bore scoring
2) as-is means as-is, if that was the deal you made, that's the deal you're left with
3) lots of time has passed, what's to say whatever happened to the car didn't happen in that time between purchase and now over the course of 3K miles
4) it'd be kind of jerky to go back to them after all this time and try to get them to take responsibility

5CHN3LL

Q: Any recourse against buying a car "as-is" from a dealer w/ bore scoring?
A: Yes, if you can prove that the dealer knew of the issue and sold it to you without disclosing. If the car was misrepresented, the dealer should be responsible.

If the dealer was ignorant of the issue, it's not the dealer's fault...how can he/she be responsible for an issue that was unknown to him/her?

Once you've decided to embrace the world of "as is/no warranty," you pay your money and take your chances...

merlot

Yes, I'm speculating. But given all the knowledge I have gained here, I'm fairly certain it's true. I will eventually follow the steps is FSI's videos to know for certain.

There's no way to prove he knew. Honestly, our conversations leads me to believe he was ignorant of bore scoring, same as I was.

I have been weighing my options. I thought about buying a used 3.6 engine and slowly rebuilding it as time and money permitted, while driving mine until it's on it's last leg, then swap in the rebuild. Problem is, I have no idea how much time I have until that happens.

wildbilly32

Post an audio of the ticking, please.

5CHN3LL

You sound like a rational person - I'd encourage you to be rational about everything, including the symptoms, before making ANY plans.

* My '99 C4 will consume some oil if I feed it the factory-fill M1. When I feed it either of the two oils I have used since (DT40 and TOTALQuartzEnergy 9000 5W40), it does not burn measurable oil.

* Some water from the tailpipes when your car is warming up is normal - it's essentially a combustion byproduct. When the cats are cold and the secondary air injection is on, you can get a LOT of water coming through...and if you are burning any oil, the soot mixed with this water/water vapor can be alarming.

rechtien

3000 miles and 6+ months since purchase of an as-is used car. Sorry. No recourse. I would think if you signed the paperwork, went to the parking lot at the dealer and fired it up and it was ticking you might. As soon as you leave the lot it is as-is.

First diagnose before you jump to conclusions. Then decide sell as a roller or plan to build.

Keep us posted.