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Old 12-13-2018, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 1stz







That's a sweet looking C4S!
Old 12-13-2018, 01:57 AM
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It’s mostly looks that differ. I test drove an 04 C4S and it felt slightly less nimble than the 99 C2 I ended up buying. My 99 actually feels a little quicker (maybe just placebo effect). Supercars.net lists all P cars 0-60 times. They have a 99 C2 at 5.2 secs and an 02 C4S at 5.1 secs. Too close to feel a difference.
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Porsche buyer's guide consistently lists C4S as the "996 to buy." I love my C2 Cab but your photos are phenom! /X3
Old 12-13-2018, 04:29 PM
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quick question. Does they have a same doors? will one fit another?
Old 12-13-2018, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LADO
quick question. Does they have a same doors? will one fit another?
Parts shops online are listing the same P/N for doors for both Carrera and Carrera 4S, so I'd assume yes, but would believe it if somebody has experience that says no.
Old 12-14-2018, 09:18 AM
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Thanks so much for posting those links. They are very informative pieces.

Old 12-14-2018, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dkraige
Parts shops online are listing the same P/N for doors for both Carrera and Carrera 4S, so I'd assume yes, but would believe it if somebody has experience that says no.
I remember reading that the body panels shared were only the front hood, front fenders and the roof pannel. It makes sense that the doors are slightly different to match the different wider rear fender.
But I can be wrong.
Old 12-14-2018, 01:37 PM
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Can always take a 4S and remove the prop shaft and front diff/axles and have a good looking wide body RWD 996.
Old 12-14-2018, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by parris
I remember reading that the body panels shared were only the front hood, front fenders and the roof pannel. It makes sense that the doors are slightly different to match the different wider rear fender.
But I can be wrong.
We need a definitive answer! Photographs shot down the side of the car really show the car swell out suddenly behind the door. This supports the idea that the doors are the same, and all of the widebody effect is in the fender (and rocker panel). Parts listings which show different fenders for w/4S and w/o 4S, but not different doors support this idea as well.

Once you focus your eye on that area, from certain angles and lighting it's actually kind of clumsy-looking. From other angles it looks spectacular. But I don't think it's happening in the door.





Old 12-14-2018, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by parris
I remember reading that the body panels shared were only the front hood, front fenders and the roof pannel. It makes sense that the doors are slightly different to match the different wider rear fender.
But I can be wrong.
I think i just made a big mistake! i have bought 02 c2 door for my 04 c4s
Old 12-14-2018, 02:46 PM
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Also, don’t forget that pricing can be quite a bit different between the two. An early C2 could be nearly 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the latest C4S. Is one twice as good as the other? Not in my book.

The increase in price isn’t apples-to-apples (admittedly) unless you are comparing performance (because they are less than 5% of each other in terms of performance). The price comes from age, features, styling, and equipment.
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I also like the safety that the AWD adds. The viscous coupler (VC) is first class technology, when a wheel spins it transfers the power to the other wheels. So this car is safer whenever you are driving, and especially useful in poor road conditions (rain, snow, loose surface, etc). Applying power to all 4 wheels makes for a much more stable platform. And the PSM is very welcome since it only helps keep you out of trouble, and can be turned off whenever that is preferred. I think Porsches have always been made "rough and ready" and to me the AWD adds another dimension of utility and safety. Oddly I don't think I've ever heard of VC failure, or the failure rate is very low.
Old 12-14-2018, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 911Syncro
I also like the safety that the AWD adds. The viscous coupler (VC) is first class technology, when a wheel spins it transfers the power to the other wheels. So this car is safer whenever you are driving, and especially useful in poor road conditions (rain, snow, loose surface, etc). Applying power to all 4 wheels makes for a much more stable platform. And the PSM is very welcome since it only helps keep you out of trouble, and can be turned off whenever that is preferred. I think Porsches have always been made "rough and ready" and to me the AWD adds another dimension of utility and safety. Oddly I don't think I've ever heard of VC failure, or the failure rate is very low.
I think there are two sides to this coin. AWD can offer a false sense of security with added traction, but braking isn’t much improved. But 911s already have good braking. And I think you’re right about PASM. I also think you’re right when conditions are unexpectedly poor (being caught in snow with summer-only tires.

My car doesn’t have PASM. So it’s entirely up to the driver to prevent a situation. The later cars are arguably safer than the earlier ones.
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The viscous coupling failed in my 2002 C4S, requiring the front differential to be rebuilt.

Interestingly, the AWD system in the 996 isn’t especially useful in rain or snow. It really shines on the track, as it allows the driver to put the power down faster when coming out of a corner. The issue with slippery road conditions is that the PSM/traction control system engages when the rear wheels slip, preventing the AWD system from doing much. I found that I couldn’t drive up my driveway in snowy weather unless I disabled PSM.
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Originally Posted by TexSquirrel
That's a sweet looking C4S!
totally agree. Love the rims.


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