IMS bearing alternate fix
#1
Track Day
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IMS bearing alternate fix
Hi folks. I'm a longtime Porsche owner and just picked up a 2003 996 C4 Cabriolet. Brainstorming an alternate means of replacing/fixing the IMS bearing.
1. Replace stock IMS bearing with another stock bearing. I would remove the seals making the bearing open. Replace the bearing with this modified unit.
2. Tig weld a bung on the cover to accept an AN4 aircraft fitting.
3. Notch the case so a 90 degree line will pass thru.
4. Make a spin-on oil adapter fitting which will have a tapped hole to accept another AN4 fitting.
5. Run a braided AN hose between the two, like others have already done.
6. Use a non-bypassing K&P Engineering cleanable filter on the spin-on adapter.
I have a machine shop and its no problem for me to make these components.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Bob
1. Replace stock IMS bearing with another stock bearing. I would remove the seals making the bearing open. Replace the bearing with this modified unit.
2. Tig weld a bung on the cover to accept an AN4 aircraft fitting.
3. Notch the case so a 90 degree line will pass thru.
4. Make a spin-on oil adapter fitting which will have a tapped hole to accept another AN4 fitting.
5. Run a braided AN hose between the two, like others have already done.
6. Use a non-bypassing K&P Engineering cleanable filter on the spin-on adapter.
I have a machine shop and its no problem for me to make these components.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Bob
#2
#4
Rennlist Member
Hey Bob
Congrats on the purchase! If you're looking for a challenge/project and not too worried about resale or potentially ruining your engine, then go for it! Otherwise, just buy the IMS solution and save a lot of time/headache and be done with it.
Cheers
Charlie
Congrats on the purchase! If you're looking for a challenge/project and not too worried about resale or potentially ruining your engine, then go for it! Otherwise, just buy the IMS solution and save a lot of time/headache and be done with it.
Cheers
Charlie
#5
Burning Brakes
Don't waste your time trying to come up with a solution for a problem that has already been fixed.
Buy a good quality fix for the IMS from a reputable vendor
Then go back to worrying about the other 99 ways your M96 can explode
Buy a good quality fix for the IMS from a reputable vendor
Then go back to worrying about the other 99 ways your M96 can explode
#7
Track Day
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K&P filters are very easy to inspect and clean. I'm an aircraft mechanic and maintain several airplanes and use them on some of these airplanes. They don't allow bypass oil.
As for why...$1400 for a few simple machined components is pretty steep to me. What I described is exactly the same as the $1400 solution. Aside from using a stock bearing I see no reason why it shouldn't work.
As for why...$1400 for a few simple machined components is pretty steep to me. What I described is exactly the same as the $1400 solution. Aside from using a stock bearing I see no reason why it shouldn't work.
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For the M96 engine, one of the best things to get is the L&N oil filter adapter and magnetic drain plug. The adapter allows for the use of a spin-on oil filter with no bypass, unlike the OE oil filter canister. I consider it one of the essential upgrades for our engines.
#10
Track Day
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I've applied Techline coatings in several engines I've built, mostly aircraft. DFL or ceramic coatings work well in extreme conditions where the oil film can break down. To me, if the bearing is bathed with a steady supply of oil and the forces acting upon it aren't great then its of limited advantage in a case like this. I agree the best solution is a plain bearing that's coated.
#11
Three Wheelin'
You can be the guy #2 to try and make a home-made bearing. Guy #1 is a Voldemort of this forum. Please keep us updated on your process and document how it is done.
Also, if you are going to sell your car after the "IMS mod", let the buyer know that it is a home-made IMS bearing.
Also, if you are going to sell your car after the "IMS mod", let the buyer know that it is a home-made IMS bearing.
#12
Pro
This http://imsretrofit.com/direct-oil-feed/ says: "Forced oiling of the ball bearing does not provide any benefit as the bearing does not require or benefit from additional oil. Lubrication alone is not the problem."
I really don't understand. What does this mean? Would DoF be somewhat helpful? There are some "diagnoses" written that the OEM bearing fails because the seals fail and the grease gets washed out, but then since there is no oil flow the bearing becomes loaded with bad decomposed oil (or some other foul stuff). If that is the root cause, then why wouldn't DoF help? If DoF alone is not enough, then how much help does it give?
Besides with my layman's understand of fluid flow, I have been concerned with tapping oil pressure from the system, and how it might affect oil flow in other parts of the engine. I suppose every oil pump is rated higher than the system needs, else we wouldn't have a pressure relief valve on the oil pump. It seems like an important aspect is to ensure that the DoF line and fittings are properly sized so that only the minimum required oil is going to the IMSB, or in other words which component of this solution meters the oil flow to the IMSB?
I really don't understand. What does this mean? Would DoF be somewhat helpful? There are some "diagnoses" written that the OEM bearing fails because the seals fail and the grease gets washed out, but then since there is no oil flow the bearing becomes loaded with bad decomposed oil (or some other foul stuff). If that is the root cause, then why wouldn't DoF help? If DoF alone is not enough, then how much help does it give?
Besides with my layman's understand of fluid flow, I have been concerned with tapping oil pressure from the system, and how it might affect oil flow in other parts of the engine. I suppose every oil pump is rated higher than the system needs, else we wouldn't have a pressure relief valve on the oil pump. It seems like an important aspect is to ensure that the DoF line and fittings are properly sized so that only the minimum required oil is going to the IMSB, or in other words which component of this solution meters the oil flow to the IMSB?
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