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Old 01-19-2018, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AWDGuy
excuse my ignorance. 991 is the porsche 911 model from 2011 to ??
I believe 2018 is still 991 but its 991.2?
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by george_west
That being said, what could a potential buyer expect if their only purpose in buying this car was to transplant the engine it into a 6 speed manual car? Would it be noticeably different from a similar engine built for a 6mt?
Yes, this would not be advised. The application is completely different.
Why would anyone do this, anyway? This car will sell for more money than one of our Stage II Track Performer engines. Just come get in line, take advantage of the proper engine being built exactly for your car, desires and application.

These offerings evolved again in late 2017, details of those changes are coming when we finally update the Flat 6 site in a few months. Its taking us a while to get the site, and marketing up to speed, as Mr. Raby cared noting about that.

To note, one reason the engine in this car cost more is due to the fact that it had experienced a failure, so the owner had to buy core components from our core bank. This is why you don’t wait till it breaks, to call us.
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Since much of the car is still stock, how well will items such at the tip hold up with the much higher torque and hp? Are there driveline components that should be replaced with stronger components if the car is only going to be used on the street, but used aggressively? How close to the limits is this engine pushing the rest of the car?
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Originally Posted by az968gpw
Since much of the car is still stock, how well will items such at the tip hold up with the much higher torque and hp? Are there driveline components that should be replaced with stronger components if the car is only going to be used on the street, but used aggressively? How close to the limits is this engine pushing the rest of the car?
It was built for track use too, so I think all will be fine.
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Originally Posted by az968gpw
Since much of the car is still stock, how well will items such at the tip hold up with the much higher torque and hp?
The tip is the same used in the Turbo with 450 HP & 450 lb/ft. The guts of the tip are used in AMG cars with up to 800 lb/ft. It will be fine.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:21 PM
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We’ve never seen a 996 tiptronic tranny fail.. They hardly even have faults. About the only thing they ever need is linkage cables replaced.
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
We’ve never seen a 996 tiptronic tranny fail.. They hardly even have faults. About the only thing they ever need is linkage cables replaced.
from my understanding the 996.1 tip is made by ZF and the .2 cars by MB... is this correct? Are the .1 tips less reliable than the later tip tranny?
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Old 01-22-2018, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Anestheticg


from my understanding the 996.1 tip is made by ZF and the .2 cars by MB... is this correct? Are the .1 tips less reliable than the later tip tranny?
All the tiptronic transaxles are robust.. No matter who made them.We don't see faults, or failures from either unit, even at exceptional high power output levels.
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Thanks for the response. At least one solid component to be happy about despite all the “weak points”
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
We’ve never seen a 996 tiptronic tranny fail.. They hardly even have faults. About the only thing they ever need is linkage cables replaced.
It's too bad you didn't get your hands on this car: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ersection.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ned-again.html

Ended up being a very entertaining saga... for us. This former owner managed to go through two tips. Now, whether it was the transmission failing or the car failing the transmission we have never gotten to the bottom of as the car now has a new owner who is not on the site.
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Old 01-22-2018, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr_Strangelove
It's too bad you didn't get your hands on this car: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ersection.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ned-again.html

Ended up being a very entertaining saga... for us. This former owner managed to go through two tips. Now, whether it was the transmission failing or the car failing the transmission we have never gotten to the bottom of as the car now has a new owner who is not on the site.
I think time will tell that one was either a misdiagnosis, a wiring issue, or human error. It didn't have any mechanical symptoms.
While anything can fail, and you will always fine 1 or 2 examples, the problems with the tips are few and far between.. Certainly much less known than the 2nd gear pop out issue with the manual gearboxes.

We have 3-4 of these tiptronic transaxles that we can't even give away.. No one needs them, as they don't fail.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
I think time will tell that one was either a misdiagnosis, a wiring issue, or human error. It didn't have any mechanical symptoms.
While anything can fail, and you will always fine 1 or 2 examples, the problems with the tips are few and far between.. Certainly much less known than the 2nd gear pop out issue with the manual gearboxes.

We have 3-4 of these tiptronic transaxles that we can't even give away.. No one needs them, as they don't fail.
I have seen quite a number of ZF 5hp19 transmissions used in 996 and 986 fail. Had one fail on my personal car about 50k miles ago. Most common failure is the front pump bushing galling/seizing to the T/C snout. Second most common failure is the lock-up clutch in the T/C. The ZF 5hp19 transmission internals are the same used in BMW, Audi, and VW in the late 90's to mid 2000's 5hp19 trans. It doesn't seem to be as big a failure rate as the 6M/T because only about 10% of Porsche were sold with Tiptronic.
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Can you clarify which model years these were used in for us novices? The 5hp vs rhe 6M/T. thanks.
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by az968gpw
Can you clarify which model years these were used in for us novices? The 5hp vs rhe 6M/T. thanks.
The ZF 5hp19 is the Tiptronic automatic transmission used in 996 from 98-03 and in the 986S from 00-03, the 6M/T( also known as G96 and G86) is the six speed manual trans that was used in the 996 from 98-04 and in 986S from 2000-2004.
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:58 PM
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Thats what i thought the M/T meant so you were comparing a tip to a manual. So did i understand you that the tip has a lower failure rate percentage wise than the manual?

Was the tip used in 2003 and later a better transmission than the ZF?
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