996 IMS retro fit make the motors safe?
01-07-2018, 06:15 PM
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So Charles Navarro are still advocating your solution or is the kit that Porsche is offering is as good and if used they will warranty it for some time/miles? Would like your opinion
01-07-2018, 06:21 PM
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The only permanent fix is the IMS Solution, which backdates the IMS to a plain, oil fed bearing.
http://www.imssolution.com
The IMS Retrofit, although proven, is a service item, like any other ball or roller bearing replacement.
01-07-2018, 06:24 PM
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Ok I am now officially confused reading this thread has done me in. I have a 2001 996 c2 and last oil change before storing for winter had no foreign particles in the filter or filter canister. I did put in a LN magnetic plug.
Next spring I will be planning on a clutch replacement and while I am at it do the ims bearing as well. My question is what ims solution is considered the solution. Now that Porsche has got a kit do I use that or Mr. Navarro do I use yours {LN}? I forget who had a LN bearing done for $1750 and clutch replaced at $675 where the heck was that. It’s way below what I have been quoted heck I’ll drive the car there for that $2400 fix for clutch and bearing wow !
Advice and input would be greatly appreciated, thanks
Next spring I will be planning on a clutch replacement and while I am at it do the ims bearing as well. My question is what ims solution is considered the solution. Now that Porsche has got a kit do I use that or Mr. Navarro do I use yours {LN}? I forget who had a LN bearing done for $1750 and clutch replaced at $675 where the heck was that. It’s way below what I have been quoted heck I’ll drive the car there for that $2400 fix for clutch and bearing wow !
Advice and input would be greatly appreciated, thanks
Not every car should be retrofitted. There are plenty of engines that should be disqualified. We have turned down IMS installs in our shop when they fail pre-qualification. There are many shops that are interested only in your money and will gladly carry out the procedure on an engine that isn't healthy enough, or worse yet, install a new bearing after the original has failed.
01-07-2018, 06:30 PM
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seriously though I've heard it's very hard to tell without looking.
With whatever you do, very best of luck.
01-07-2018, 07:15 PM
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Charles, Why would you "assume" you know anything about my LN Pro install??
It was I that had the LN Pro installed for 1750 by a Porsche indy. And yes the job was done correctly; thank you for your concern. And I have purchased one of your oil filter adapters and the magnet. I respect LN tremendously but assuming only your certified installers can do and have done this job is absurd. And assuming the job has to cost more makes me think price fixing??
And one of your "certified" installers quoted me a number only 200 higher. But my dealer, who had the job done, before I would agree to complete the purchase, wanted someone "he" trusted to do the pre-qualification. Possibly my dealer has a relationship with this indy that lowers their hourly rate or maybe the certified installers charge too much?
It was I that had the LN Pro installed for 1750 by a Porsche indy. And yes the job was done correctly; thank you for your concern. And I have purchased one of your oil filter adapters and the magnet. I respect LN tremendously but assuming only your certified installers can do and have done this job is absurd. And assuming the job has to cost more makes me think price fixing??
And one of your "certified" installers quoted me a number only 200 higher. But my dealer, who had the job done, before I would agree to complete the purchase, wanted someone "he" trusted to do the pre-qualification. Possibly my dealer has a relationship with this indy that lowers their hourly rate or maybe the certified installers charge too much?
01-07-2018, 07:43 PM
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An 8% chance of catastrophic failure on my new to me 2001 Carerra 4 was worth the 1750 cost for me. And had the RMS and Clutch done while tranny was out for another $550.
So 1750 for the Pro LN bearing vs an 8% chance of sending my purchase to the trash heap. Each person has to make that decision. Glad you are happy with your decision.
So 1750 for the Pro LN bearing vs an 8% chance of sending my purchase to the trash heap. Each person has to make that decision. Glad you are happy with your decision.
Charles Navarro the price for the ims and clutch tocpd quoted in his post that’s where I got that. Does the seal on the Porsche kit not get eaten up from the acidity of the oil and thus the grease of the bearing melts out and leads to failure?
Do you have any authorized shops in Minneapolis? I think Imola does some of the ims repairs if they aren’t can you recommend anyone here in Minneapolis?
Do you have any authorized shops in Minneapolis? I think Imola does some of the ims repairs if they aren’t can you recommend anyone here in Minneapolis?
01-07-2018, 07:56 PM
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Todcp, to bad I live in Minnesota that was a great price you paid but what is the difference between LN Pro versus the ims solution is your fix have a direct oil feed ? What kind of clutch did you get with that price I doubt it but did that include a new flywheel also?
01-07-2018, 08:04 PM
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Also of note is Hagerty's values says the lack of a bearing upgrade is a 15% deduct. I figured in the cost for the LN Pro, RMS and Clutch vs the final price of my recently purchased 47,000 mile 2001 C4. Personally I would not have purchased a single row 996 without the upgrade and pre check first so that is why my dealer had it done for me prior to taking delivery. My dealer is a friend and after speaking with his preferred indy shop and two Porsche dealers agreed with my position.
My dealers preferred Porsche indy will only install LN products.
My dealers preferred Porsche indy will only install LN products.
01-07-2018, 08:05 PM
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Charles, Why would you "assume" you know anything about my LN Pro install??
It was I that had the LN Pro installed for 1750 by a Porsche indy. And yes the job was done correctly; thank you for your concern. And I have purchased one of your oil filter adapters and the magnet. I respect LN tremendously but assuming only your certified installers can do and have done this job is absurd. And assuming the job has to cost more makes me think price fixing??
And one of your "certified" installers quoted me a number only 200 higher. But my dealer, who had the job done, before I would agree to complete the purchase, wanted someone "he" trusted to do the pre-qualification. Possibly my dealer has a relationship with this indy that lowers their hourly rate or maybe the certified installers charge too much?
It was I that had the LN Pro installed for 1750 by a Porsche indy. And yes the job was done correctly; thank you for your concern. And I have purchased one of your oil filter adapters and the magnet. I respect LN tremendously but assuming only your certified installers can do and have done this job is absurd. And assuming the job has to cost more makes me think price fixing??
And one of your "certified" installers quoted me a number only 200 higher. But my dealer, who had the job done, before I would agree to complete the purchase, wanted someone "he" trusted to do the pre-qualification. Possibly my dealer has a relationship with this indy that lowers their hourly rate or maybe the certified installers charge too much?
01-07-2018, 08:12 PM
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Charles Navarro the price for the ims and clutch tocpd quoted in his post that’s where I got that. Does the seal on the Porsche kit not get eaten up from the acidity of the oil and thus the grease of the bearing melts out and leads to failure?
Do you have any authorized shops in Minneapolis? I think Imola does some of the ims repairs if they aren’t can you recommend anyone here in Minneapolis?
Do you have any authorized shops in Minneapolis? I think Imola does some of the ims repairs if they aren’t can you recommend anyone here in Minneapolis?
The grease seal itself just impedes exchange of oil in and out of the bearing, but only once the grease seal is compromised (hardening caused by high oil temperatures). If I were to install the factory Porsche bearing, I would still omit the grease seal so that the engine oil can properly lubricate the bearing. However, since a ceramic hybrid bearing has a lower lubrication requirement than conventional bearings, it might not be as critical as with the original factory bearing.
01-07-2018, 08:20 PM
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Todcp, to bad I live in Minnesota that was a great price you paid but what is the difference between LN Pro versus the ims solution is your fix have a direct oil feed ? What kind of clutch did you get with that price I doubt it but did that include a new flywheel also?
My clutch was only half worn on my 47,000 mile car so the flywheel was fine.
And apologies to Charles. I went to out to my car and found the invoice from the indy to my dealer for the work completed; I had not reviewed it before but it was in with my purchase paperwork. It appears my dealer ate a chunk of the indy's cost to him. So though my cost was $2300 on my purchase agreement my dealer was charged $2755. 1195 for labor on the LN Pro, Clutch Kit, RMS and Oil Service. Plus parts.
01-07-2018, 08:33 PM
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That’s more plausible, my goal is to be able to jump in my car roll the top down start it and be as worry free as possible. I understand this is moving metal and oil lubricates all the moving parts so anything is possible but a known defect can get fixed I’m all for it but I want to not worry about how many miles or whatever. So I think the direct oil feed is for me. Charles your video sure makes it look easy to replace that.
01-10-2018, 08:00 AM
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As with all replacement parts sold by Porsche, if they are not installed by the dealer, they are sold with zero warranty.
The only permanent fix is the IMS Solution, which backdates the IMS to a plain, oil fed bearing.
http://www.imssolution.com
The IMS Retrofit, although proven, is a service item, like any other ball or roller bearing replacement.
The only permanent fix is the IMS Solution, which backdates the IMS to a plain, oil fed bearing.
http://www.imssolution.com
The IMS Retrofit, although proven, is a service item, like any other ball or roller bearing replacement.