Jussi

There is no any problem
just open your eyes and check those test results in 60-130 topic..
I'm not hiding them.. at least others can seen them and they don't have those problems like you have..

My car is not a miracle machine like you want to speak, it is just collection of right components and very good Motronic tuning..
I have listed my components many times here. I promise that if somebody just get these or similar parts installed for his 993TT and get proper ECU tuning, he will achieve similar results.. But ECU tuning is most important to make everything working properly and safety. So I trust my friend here in Finland who has been doing these Motronics 20 years and are also well-know in world.

If you don't believe my +490kw readings. Then Jean can easily calculate them for you from my long G values..

Jussi

plaa plaa plaa,
Why don't you just make end to this debate and just post your run to me and then I post my run to you, very simple.
I want to also compare and verify these runs with all due respect

Kevin

I think that for the folks that are reading this thread see that the Jussi called out Toby and Jean in the original thread heading. Jussi is seeking the approval of his numbers. Jussi if you are seeking validation for your car send your data to Jean. I don't understand why Jean needs to send you his data. The thread isn't about his car and he wasn't soliciting his own data.

Again for all of the Rennlister that have seen this thread, "we" would like Jean to verify the slope and data "IF" you want it validated. We don't want to see OBD data figures.. Which can be tampered with different tire sizes and runs going downhill.

Jean

Jussi, You have to first answer this question with your engineering hat.

Car A accelerates at average10m/s. square between two speeds x --> y
Car B accelerates at average 11m/s square between the exact same two speeds x--> y

Which car covers x-->y faster?

Jussi

Nice try Jean,
Answer is, it depends on partial accelerations times between those x and y speeds and so it can't be said. It can be A or B.
Like in case 1) A is quicker even if B has better average a values
v t a v t a
100 100
200 10 10 200 20 5
300 10 10 300 20 5
400 10 10 400 20 5
500 10 10 500 3,45 28,98550725
40 10 63,45 10,99637681

Or in case 2) B is quicker because it is always quicker
v t a v t a
100 100
200 10 10 200 9,09 11,00110011
300 10 10 300 9,09 11,00110011
400 10 10 400 9,09 11,00110011
500 10 10 500 9,09 11,00110011
40 10 36,36 11,00110011

Can I now have your run

Jean

BUZZZZ, wrong answer, no you cannot have my runs.

I said (meant) overall average across the run. There is only one answer.

Jussi

Sorry Jean, I thought that question too complicated.
Short answer is B.

I'll send my runs to you but please, send some(fast) of your run to me.

Felix

I think you left off two $$!

993TurboS

I am no physicist, but find this thread amusing, as well as all of the 100-200, 60-130 treads. Fun reading.

It does seem that average accelation does not, in itself, mean much. It is the whole curve. That being said, if one curve were always higher, or if they were both constant, then the answer would be obvious.

Red9

Jussi-- I am another very interested in your results. As Kevin said-- this is NOT about Jean's data or car. Jean was coerced into reviewing data to verify the accuracy of the process on behalf of the forums. Over a period of time there haver been very many data runs excluded on the basis of uncertainty and clear innaccuracy.Most of us do not(well I don't) have the skills to asess the validity of the results .It is Jean's integrity that we rely on with this to verify the best he can( and the way he see's fit to do) and that is what you are incorrectly and unneccessarily questioning here. . Jean is acting as umpire/referee that is accepted my most people here for the knowledge and independence that he brings to the forum. Jean has along with TB's scepticism with the many claims over a long period of time the search for accuracy ( ascertainable accuracy) has change the face of the "yes I have" debate dramatically. I hope you can prove your point- you have approached things differently and I am very interested to see the results-- but it HAS to be a result that we ALL can believe.

Acropora

How 'bout an ET slip?

Chased a friend's Vette around Grattan raceway today. What the suspension and tires fail to deliver in the corners, a low 60-130 makes up for in the straights

KPG

C'mon Brad....you know those things are for the knuckledraggers and not for the enlightened

Red9

Should he post that over on 6 speed?????

KPG

Red9...that was with tongue firmly in cheek

Jussi

I just sent two 60-130 runs of my cars to Jean for verify.
They are not the best possible ones because I haven't got my lightening process ready yet. Running weight is 1500kg, Normal pump gas (shell v power), 4WD.

But let's wait what Jean will say about them..
I'll bet that they aren't good and don't mean anything and Jean says that I just have 520hp

I also wanted to have some runs from Jean because I want to get good reference cars for my AX comparision list
and also I don't like "the rules" where everybody have send their runs to Jean and nobody get anything back from him..