993 sales seem to have dramatically slowed
#61
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Originally Posted by myflat6
^^VW buses are fetching six figures. Who ever saw that coming?
#62
Drifting
Originally Posted by JDHertz11
That's like saying that pennies are selling for $100K. A few, very few busses have sold for six figures. The ones that have sold for those numbers have either been drunk auctions or very special 21/ 23 Windows or Barndoors. I know and follow that market very closely. Probably as many pennies have sold for $100K as busses that have sold for the same prices. We need to keep things in perspective here.
#63
The market eventually dies for everything old. The guys/ girls that appreciated them die off themselves. It's the reason why brass era cars are worthless, the guys that were into them in the 1970's are long gone. They take the relationships with them. I can't identify with a 100 year old car. The same thing has started to happen to the 1950's and even 1960's cars. My parents generation is getting up in years and no longer has the drive to cherish these cars.
Think about it, if the original owner of my 1955 Continental is still alive they'd be a minimum of 80 something years old. Do you think you'd want to drive that car in the heat, cold, etc? My stepfather is 78 and would have been a teenager in 1955 and he can't relate to the car. Nothing is forever guys, nothing lasts forever.
Think about it, if the original owner of my 1955 Continental is still alive they'd be a minimum of 80 something years old. Do you think you'd want to drive that car in the heat, cold, etc? My stepfather is 78 and would have been a teenager in 1955 and he can't relate to the car. Nothing is forever guys, nothing lasts forever.
The thing about most old cars is that they don't drive very well. So really the only allure is looks. Nostalgia is the pull for these cars.
The thing about 993s is they look cool, were built well and most importantly they drive amazing - even in comparison to faster (and sterile) modern cars.
But what do I know? I drank the 993 cool aid a long time ago and I'm still drinking it.
I'll tell you this - if I make it to 80, I'll still be driving a 993......
#64
I tend to agree, but there are exceptions. Classic Ferraris seem to transcend generations. Everybody loves them. Perhaps more modern (pre-watercooled) 911s will follow suit.
The thing about most old cars is that they don't drive very well. So really the only allure is looks. Nostalgia is the pull for these cars.
The thing about 993s is they look cool, were built well and most importantly they drive amazing - even in comparison to faster (and sterile) modern cars.
But what do I know? I drank the 993 cool aid a long time ago and I'm still drinking it.
I'll tell you this - if I make it to 80, I'll still be driving a 993......
The thing about most old cars is that they don't drive very well. So really the only allure is looks. Nostalgia is the pull for these cars.
The thing about 993s is they look cool, were built well and most importantly they drive amazing - even in comparison to faster (and sterile) modern cars.
But what do I know? I drank the 993 cool aid a long time ago and I'm still drinking it.
I'll tell you this - if I make it to 80, I'll still be driving a 993......
#66
#67
1969 Yenko Camaro just sold for $350k...not cheap either
#68
I can't pretend to understand the "collector" mindset but I do understand what I believe to be the unique driving characteristics of a good 993. The collector looks at production numbers and often places importance on "special editions" with stripes from the factory...or a couple of cosmetic upgrades. I like driving them....what can I say?
#69
Rennlist Member
Its the end of gasoline that will kill the 993 and all the other cars we admire. Young people today will opt for a self driving electric appliance. Everything in their lives will be bought online and delivered by Amazon. The individual freedom that came with a car is no longer the trend in a collective group think society. Enjoy them while we've got them.
#70
Addicted Specialist
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Its the end of gasoline that will kill the 993 and all the other cars we admire. Young people today will opt for a self driving electric appliance. Everything in their lives will be bought online and delivered by Amazon. The individual freedom that came with a car is no longer the trend in a collective group think society. Enjoy them while we've got them.
I am enjoying my 993 and SC. And though even my kids (young-adult age) think they're really cool and loved them throughout their childhood, they are not "into" them as we are, nor are their peers. Maybe when I'm room temp will they grasp the torch of automotive geekdom. But until that fateful day, I'm a drivin em till I can't!
Edward
#72
Rennlist Member
Some interesting insights here:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-baby-boomers/
I think this trend is evidenced by the increasing (so it seems) popularity of our 993's. In truth, in this forum there may be as many mentions of comfort, practicality, A/C, etc. as there are of ultimate performance. I think the demographic trends will continue to favor 993's. Sports car fans are getting older and the roads aren't getting any less-crowded. Hell, might even make my TIP more valuable than a 6-speed some day
Ron
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-baby-boomers/
I think this trend is evidenced by the increasing (so it seems) popularity of our 993's. In truth, in this forum there may be as many mentions of comfort, practicality, A/C, etc. as there are of ultimate performance. I think the demographic trends will continue to favor 993's. Sports car fans are getting older and the roads aren't getting any less-crowded. Hell, might even make my TIP more valuable than a 6-speed some day
Ron
#73
Burning Brakes
Not so sure the market is softening. I put mine up on Friday afternoon, had a feeding frenzy of interest in the first 12 hrs and had it sold by Sunday morning by 8am, 36hrs hours after posting it only here.
#74
Burning Brakes
I don't really follow the market and haven't thought about how I would price mine because I don't see myself selling it anytime soon and I have no illusions about recovering even a fraction of the ghastly amount of upgrade dollars in to it (easily new GT3 territory at this point). But I have a drawer full of notes left on my windshield and Rennlist PM's from cash right now buyers so I'm pretty sure well cared for cars and even ones like mine heavily modified but properly done which although limits the buyer pool obviously will still move quickly if fairly priced perhaps even at a premium.
#75
I think it's clear clean cars, even when highly modified and well taken care of, have buyers. I bought my car a year and a half ago with the TPC supercharger; and still love it today. I have only put my C4S up for sale as I am considering getting into a super wagon, maybe an RS4 or an E63 AMG wagon to haul around my kids. I turned down the $75k offer I had on my car because I do still love my 993 and can't see letting go of it at that price.
Relisted it once more to see if there is any interest at $81k. Kind of half hoping there isn't, I guess I may just end up being stuck with her. Things could be worse of all the cars I've ever owned from turbocharged and tuned audis, to super charged range rovers, and 335i tuned twin turbo 335i bmws, my TPC supercharged 993 still takes the cake on all of them for me as far as overall personality, looks, build quality, reliability, and driveability.
I hold little value in what the market currently dictates, I think if it's meant to be, there is likely one other person out there who would have my car at a reasonable price. If there isn't, I'll keep driving mine.
Relisted it once more to see if there is any interest at $81k. Kind of half hoping there isn't, I guess I may just end up being stuck with her. Things could be worse of all the cars I've ever owned from turbocharged and tuned audis, to super charged range rovers, and 335i tuned twin turbo 335i bmws, my TPC supercharged 993 still takes the cake on all of them for me as far as overall personality, looks, build quality, reliability, and driveability.
I hold little value in what the market currently dictates, I think if it's meant to be, there is likely one other person out there who would have my car at a reasonable price. If there isn't, I'll keep driving mine.