Great American 993s for Sale + Price Discussion Thread
 

I'm thinking about putting mine on Auto Trader in a few weeks for $30k.




Andreas

It's a tip and has a horrible body kit. Naturally. :banghead:

That car had been on there for months.

Pretty poor seat covering job too

Targa - $36k...
 

PTS Slate Gray 993TT
 

https://www.millermotorcars.com/1996-porsche-911-turbo-c-1058.htm

15k miles
$179k

What a gorgeous car. Not keen on the wood accents myself but its nothing that can't be easily changed. Given the crazy pricing on some cars this one seems competitively priced given low mileage, rare color and overall presentation.

^^ Agree on all counts.. if it had a black interior I would have called them. Another 993TT just popped up on PCA Classifieds...

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320672

Grand Prix White / Black
16k miles, $175k, supposedly all stock

PM sent!

I am afraid there is some crazy guy from Baltimore who thinks he is first in line.

Bob- I'm afraid so but it's worth a shot. I'm looking for a well-beat 95 Polar silver/black specifically :D

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/6033538967.html


salvage ....39k...

He's going to trade it to me for my M4.

Man....that is one DIRTY ASS ENGINE!!!!

$35k Cab with Sport Seats!

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...rts&emc=alerts

Looks great.

144K miles! yikes

Seems high at first blush, but it's funny to think that it's only 7,200mi/year.

I am obviously biased, but given my search to find the right car, I think this is a "reasonable" asking price assuming perfect condition 10/10 no story car, which it appears to be. Before all the "you are crazy" responses start, I would challenge you to find a car that checks all the boxes here. Not some of the boxes. To the right buyer, all the boxes have to be checked. 1998 C2S, Silver/Black, all original, low ownership, low miles, no paint, no mechanical issues, last month of air cooled production, full documentation, original factory hollow spokes, etc. They are just getting harder to find. If this asking price has some room for negotiation, its a "good buy" for someone that wants the last 993 in widebody in this configuration and doesn't want a turbo. Top 5% of market. It would need to check out as such.

12k miles - $159k asking

http://www.europeancollectibles.com/...-911-carrera-s

I prefer that the "sport seat box" be checked off for this price.

Not sure one can claim that last one.

A car that hardly ever gets used almost always has mechanical issues. Or will in short order.

Cars don't like to sit.

That said, I think you're mostly correct. But for $160K, a slightly more used 993TT with about 30K miles on it is a far better buy :cheers:

Well I agree with that. I meant no history of major mechanical repairs that were needed, full PPI with leakdown compression etc. My car only has 18k miles and knock on wood so far running very strong with no issues. I do think the low mileage = bad thing does get overblown a bit, but I do get your point.

I think those that would rather have turbo would see this car as overpriced. Those that must have naturally aspirated wouldn't see the turbo as an alternative.

Re: sports seats, I have them, love them, and would want them included at this price point. But for someone that must have them, that can be fixed, although $$

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...084773545.html

Another high miler. Good options. Fellow seems a little grumpy:)

This looks very nice, should sell fast:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace-old/984954-1997-porsche-993-c2s-factory-aerokit-coupe-glacier-white-black.html

97 C2S Glacier White / Black with Factory Aerokit
55k miles $89k

This is my car I just dropped of for consignment at a local dealer for reference on C2S pricing. I think its priced pretty well.

http://www.diamondmotorworks.com/det...-15260706.html

:confused:

I just saw this beast 97 TT

it didn't really do anything for me but the price caught my eye

http://www.parkplaceltd.com/used-car...AC299XVS375768

^^ That's been there forever. I believe it's the owners car and he just does that to see who bites. I lived out there and bought my 85 targa from Park Place. It's a good reseller and they price their cars right- with this exception!

Agree, when I bought mine last year (38k miles) it hadn't been driven an inch in more than 7 years and I spent all last weekend spanking her hard with no issues.

10 mins away..
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...085102269.html

Wow! Stunning.

Great looking cab. I'm minutes away if anyone is seriously interested and needs a Rennfax.

If it was a coupe, I'd be all over it.

G

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...rts&emc=alerts

Iris Blue on Linen, stunning color combination, just in time for Easter!

less than 10K miles on it, if I bought it, this 'investment grade TT' would depreciate rapidly.

[pic and link removed. scam ad] 993 track car. $39k

Thanks for the update rvmhn.

I called the seller of the maroon car above. He had two different ones listed. Both are sold.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911

Lovely looking car. Lotsa money. Lot of them sitting there for a long time around that price. The market will come to them or they will come to the market.

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320830

95 Carrera manual, stock
Guards Red/Cashmere
88k miles / $50k

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320843

95 Carrera manual, all original, one owner
Polar Silver / Gray
33k miles / $70k

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320880

97 C4S
Guards Red / Black
79k miles, $72k
original owner but lots of mods including TPC supercharger + Turbo S wing

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911

High mileage but well cared 97 C2 with a top-end rebuild, Bilstein's and most importantly...hardback seats. Listed at $45 but maybe there's a deal in there somewhere.

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/6085087915.html

Wow, on that repair bill!!

Not cheap, but Vesuvio are so cool!

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...s/1894239.html

for sale by Truban http://www.trubanmotors.com/default.html
(no affiliation)

Not $150k cool. Last month I referred a Rennlister to a Vesuvio C2S for $50k; a bit rough but still a great deal. Hopefully he'll post and introduce the car here.

Asking prices $ for MY97/98 993 S model coupes ... silly ... ?
 

Just for kicks ... Here's my 1998 C2S:
A little show'in* off ... What better a time with present C2S pricing in the clouds -

Original owner - spec'd new May '97. , , 9/'97 USA production.
MSO to state title; 11/1997 to present.
Silver metallic w/black leather.
87,000 mi or so.
Fully Spec'd option's; Full Leather, HB ht'd seats, Litronic's, HiFi, CD, OBC, R. wiper, Exh Ovals, alum "S" sills, etc.
Excellent condition, garaged. 99.44% OEM stock.
Comprehensive OEM service practices w/documentation.
Order sheet, Monroney label, Owners manual, tools, tire pump, etc.

PAG Werk 1 modifications: TUV inspection, Black engine grill, RoW Fascia w/R. Fog, MY96 G50/21 gearbox, Gerts bar-
- Row S coupe suspension M033 springs w/F&R swaybar, ToreB's LED conversion, Huper Opticks rear glass . . . .

There's zero intention of moving the C2S along as its committed as a college graduation gift.
* practice'in to drop'in my ing's.


The "reasonable" $159,000 USD would make a solid 911R down payment. A possibility in the not to distant future... Say after one of the lucky few grow tired of the R and move on to the 911 du jour.

The Vesuvio C2S model trim, basically a paint scheme, was a 1998 only No Cost option. A marketing exercise intended to spur sales as 993 production wound down. The No Cost "V" scheme was in addition to the extended terms, further discounting and the -2% of total MSRP "trunk money" deductions. Porsche AG pulled out the marketing/sales stops in '97 & '98 to invigorate slowing 911 sales as NA dealerships were not buying 993's in any appreciable numbers. Dealership inventories of new 993 vehicles was few and far between. Do recall year '98 was on the cusp of the 996 model - simply not another 911 product evolution-business as usual new model year. Out with the evolved Mezger 3.6l architecture . . . . in with the 996 H2O M96 flat-six introduction. ..."The future" ..

The Vesuvio C2S production timing was intended to have vehicles on display in dealer showrooms for Summer '97, late Summer into Autumn. The dealership buyers largely received the Vesuvio trimmed C2S as milquetoast, a "trendy paint scheme" not something of value for the time-honored Porsche enthusiast.

In July '97 after viewing the Denver Porsche dealers spec ordered Vesuvio C2S coupe - ... Agreed. .. Its a cool color scheme, but not for real (my) 911 money, maybe lease transaction money?? ... To-each-his-own ...

Not feeling the Vesuvius/Cashmere combo at all.

I just listed my wonderful late-'95 Coupe in the classifieds. Sunroof-delete, 72k miles, superb original car, all records, 3rd owner for 17 years, $54,000:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace-old/986881-1995-993-carrera-sunroof-delete-coupe.html

Sunroof delete :thumbup:

Hey Todd -
... Glanced at your posted For Sale listing. Man, that's a nice coupe. The 993 Full Leather interior option dramatically elevates the feel of the coupe.
A buddy often orders cars with a "Sunroof Delete" gaining much headroom. Nice coupe! Good luck w/sale.

Cheers -

Guys,

What's a ballpark value for a '95 white over black C4 cab? 115k miles. Car has received routine maintenance and recent reseal. Leak down and compression are all good. No idea when shocks, rotors, etc. have been serviced. Regular wear and tear on interior and exterior. Original paint. Seller is asking a little over 40k.

TIA

Alex

Hard to be certain. Could be a good deal. Can't imagine it's on the original shocks, rotors etc. Find out what needs doing and tot that up and add it to the price and see what you get for that figure elesewhere.

As far as 993 desirability, I gotta think the c4 cab is pretty low. Even lower if it is a tiptronic car. A little over $40k is about c2 manual coupe money with those miles, as described. I would think low-mid 30's is more realistic for a c4 cab.

1998 Porsche 911 C4S - Aerokit & Sport Seats
 

Thought I would chime in on this thread as my 993 is on the market. Very rare color combo for a 1998. Can find all details on thread below. Willing to entertain reasonable offers. PPI is welcome and encouraged.

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...e-911-c4s.html

Tom, your car is sweet! ^^

If this checks out and if it is manual, it is priced pretty well for a sub-20k mile 98 C2S:

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/321076

Black/Gray
$115k, 19k miles, sports seats
no pictures... (?)

Very nice looking WB in the RL classifieds:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...ent-shape.html

Speed Yellow / Black 97 C4S
$80k, 51k miles
nice setup with PSS9, yellow belts, wide ovals, Fister II, aluminum shifter/e-brake

http://www.morries.com/inventory/use...aa2997vs320863

Hello 993 gents,
What do you guys think about this 993 manual.
I looked at it and it's very clean.
I sold my 964 and I will be looking to replace it and this beauty just popped up locally.
For the money though I may go with a 2009-2012 997.

I like the color.....does anyone know what its called

Looks like zenith blue. Love it!

The dealer called me today and offered it at $54K. My original offer was $53K. I still think this is a little high? What do you guys think?

I wouldn't buy it because I hate the color combo. ...but no one on the planet can tell you if that $1000 moves it from "just right" to "a little high."

If you love it then that $1000 shouldn't make a lick of difference on the right car. If you don't then maybe you should keep searching.

Here's one that's a bit unusual, offered at a modest price point.

http://californiacars.com/product/19...che-911-targa/

98 Targa in Forest Green Metallic, 6 Speed
79K Miles
Ask $46,9

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...5f85c89d30.png

Agreed. If you love the color combo then jump on it. Don't forget to PPI. Personally, I really like zenith blue but that interior kills it for me.

local if someone needs a set of eyes on that beaut

I have a very similar car. Love the color.

If the dealer will do it, have him put it up on a rack and pull off the exhaust manifolds so you can look at the exhaust valves and ports. If they look like this, it may be due for a top end rebuild. Other than the weak valve guides, these cars are great.

:icon501:This car looks to be the same car that was for sale in Palm Springs a few weeks ago. The car fax has a note of a smog in Palm Springs on 2/15/17 so its likely. I believe they were listing it in Palm Springs for $46k.

This looks tasty, no affiliation

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911

Does anyone have information on this car thats for sale.

https://www.classic.com/detail/1996-993-Carrera_256

Wow, and I thought Sloan was looking for big bucks from his 11K mile full leather C2.

Someone linked to it on the RL 993 Facebook page already, but this is my car if anyone is looking for a mechanically sorted driver/HPDE car.

http://glenshelly.com/sales/1997-porsche-911-carrera-c2

Here the link for the ad from when I bought it off another rennlister a couple years ago for reference.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...oad-track.html

How much was sloan looking for his example?

http://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds/33464

98 C2S
Black / Cashmere
6-speed, "Completely Stock, No Paintwork"
30k miles, $109k

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/321331

95 C2 Coupe
Guards Red / Gray
6-speed, "museum quality"
35k miles, $65k

MY95 993 coupe w/Full Leather option ...
 

Nice catch L39E ... An unmolested '95 993 coupe. If ya like that sort of thing..

While the seller's PCA For Sale post makes no mention of build specifics, a keen eye at number 4 interior picture show's a Full Leather interior; seems many-a-model year '95 993 were built with the Full Leather option. Nice high dollar option <$4,200 USD>in a 20 y/o, 1-owner, modest mileage, PCA member's 911 coupe.

The Full Leather option if ya like that sort of thing.... positively transforms the 911's interior.

All disclaimers apply. Seller does not indicate location. If location is within a 200mi radius of ALT, GA ... I'll do ya a solid.

You can only see the location and contact information on the PCA website classifieds if you are logged in. This car is in Franklin, TN.

That car popped up on ebay last week.

Two more days to go on the listing. It does have a Reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/152535509249...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I don't *love* the Guards over Gray look, but that car does appear to be clean, and full leather is definitely nice to see on a C2.

+1. ... ah so true. I hadn't signed in. Franklin, TN is west of Nashville some distance. Oh well.

thoughts on this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...xZEM29&vxp=mtr

Buy it - fair deal....see if you can get it subject to PPI prior to auction end?

this seems pretty well priced

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace-old/990023-1997-porsche-c2s.html

97 C2S
Black / Black
6-speed, stock, recent reseal
49k miles, $88k

Franklin is south of Nashville about 20 minutes. Easy to get to. I go there every month.

To the questions re: C4 cab. I bought a similar car just under $40k, but it is a no stories, 2 owner (first was a woman who drove 92% of the miles on it, second was a doctor who was OCD), mechanically sorted, no corrosion (highly unusual for the east coast), always garaged vehicle. I have not seen them selling below $35k for no issues/stories cars. Maybe you get lucky and get mid-low 30s, especially if it is a tip, but I have been looking for a cab (C4 was a slight bonus for me, but basically I was indifferent) for a while and did not see anything worth buying in that price range.

what am I missing here? dealer never make pricing mistakes...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Porsche...5YoeVG&vxp=mtr

That is about the market for a higher mileage turbo, maybe even a bit high. Prices are on the way down for cars like that one.

Three things... miles. miles. miles..


$0.02

"Cars Like that one"? What does that mean. It looks pretty clean- although the interior color scheme is weird- either aftermarket or somebody's weird idea of black and Cashmere. A High Mileage TT is a great thing if it's been serviced well. These ares are NOT going down any lower in price and miles at that point mean almost nothing. you can not find a TT for a whole lot less and someone will actually drive and enjoy that car, instead of putting it in a museum someplace. a clean PPI and a look at the service records- could be a great find for someone craving the power of a TT but doesn't want to part with another $ 50-75K.

looking for pricing feed back on a silver on marble gray 96 C4S 3 owners, 110k miles. has had a fender replaced at some point - not on carfax. has good maintenance records - various sensors etc , RS clutch , fabspeed mufflers, bilsteins but no reseal or rebuild. seems to be seeping oil.

To me, based on one picture and a brief description, that's a high 50's to maybe very low 60's car. Next person might say 70.
Seller probably thinks it's worth 80. lol

The pink calipers are cute. ;)

$0.02

High 50s is low, I'd consider that a screaming deal. Mid 60s seems appropriate.

It means non blue chip higher mileage cars, such as that one, that were listing for 120+ a year or 2 ago are actually selling for high 90s-105.

Sold my 97 C4S arena red on black with 110k miles last year for $51k USD. No reseal and a slight oil leak. 15k USD accident repaired with high quality repaint. Front and rear bumpers and front right fender replaced. Also had a small vandalism claim. Newer tires, nearly mint all stock except ROW springs. Delivered with sport seats but they were removed and stock 993 comfort seats installed. Great driver for the price. Perhaps sold to soon (too low).

It was also located in Canada so Americans wanted a better price to make up for the importing and transportation hassles.

There are just so many for sale now...

https://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/ctd/6126683216.html

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6108425735.html

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...085102269.html

https://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/ctd/6126680074.html

https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/6067193923.html

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/6131800348.html

If this is legit, someone better run and scoop this up quickly: https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/6129362164.html

https://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/6137179900.html

'96 TT
Arena Red / Black
Suspension + exhaust mods, RUF 19's
54k miles, $98k

That seems like a DEAL!

(for somebody else)

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/6116196898.html

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/6092882043.html

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/6116382381.html

https://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/6106639362.html

96 C4S
Polar Silver / Black
New clutch, PSS-10, Recent tires, new windshield
71k miles, $69,500

If it checks out, I agree.

Thank you for posting the CL cars, 18T_BT. I am just learning how to search these. Please post WB cars and turbos if you find anything interesting!

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6138263973.html

'96 C4S
Guards Red / Tan
96k miles, $66,500

this is a rennlisters car... been bumped up 100 times on the for sale forum.

what a beauty! Odo reads 54k on replacement gauge. Actual mileage is 124k.

Thanks, I missed that very important detail. Seller's ad is somewhat misleading, the "odometer" part should say 124k, not 54k.

https://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/6104362508.html

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/6140094082.html

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/6119024711.html

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/6097356987.html

https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/6139148434.html

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/6138085383.html

https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6125656708.html

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...131105410.html

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...121382058.html

https://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/cto/6101075237.html

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/ctd/6124961027.html

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/6128449748.html

$33K seems like a good deal (i think i may have posted this one already above - sorry if it's a double post): https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/6129362164.html

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6141232459.html

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6138263973.html

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/6085087915.html

https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/6096182110.html

https://hartford.craigslist.org/ctd/6107497911.html

OMG.. that last one may have the most hideous wheels that I have seen on a 993. And the $43k "Mega Strosek Package"... and that wing... what were they thinking? Haha

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...51940f4b5d.jpg

Yikes..

While we're on the subject, I'd need Lenny to 'splain what's going on w/ that goofy cab top.

Hey guys, check out http://www.rideslist.com/ It makes searching for specific models much much easier on Craigslist.

Thank you ^^

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/321636

'96 C4S
Arena Red / Grey
Hardbacks, Factory Aerokit II, aluminum gauges/shifter/brake
44k miles, $98k

It looks like they closed off the air intake under the wing! How does the car breath?? No accounting for taste, but that thing is a hot mess.... :roflmao:

If $159k is reasonable for that vehicle than I would like to put my 993 C2S up for sale in this thread.
1997 C2S silver/blk with sport seats, 6spd, aluminum gauges, motor sound kit. 49,000 miles. I'm the third owner but it's been in my possession since 2001. Okay, so I have 37,000 more miles but I do have the sport seats. Even better, I have the factory aerokit as seen on the Turbo S and more importantly, I have a rear windshield wiper. I don't know if the windshield wiper needs a new blade, I don't think i've ever used it. But it's a rare option none the less.
I do have some mods on my car but they are Rennlist approved. And I have the original parts in my garage (suspension, radio, etc.) I even have the non working spare tire compressor if you really want it.
I did remove the front bumperettes so there was some non-collision paint work but as you can see, the car looks even more stunning.
I also have an extra set of hollow turbo twist wheels I'll throw in for a full priced offer.

I'm thinking $158,999.99 asking. If you want my Hello Kitty slap bracelet thats on the gear shift we're gonna have to arm wrestle for it.

Will also consider trade plus $10k for equal mileage TT in equal or better condition.
I even promise to reset all the OBDII flags prior to delivery :D

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...344303c976.jpg

Thoughts on this SoCal C2? $59K
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ctd/6147776765.html

its not a 4s :)

I noticed that too. Pretty funny. I'm going to go look at the car today. Besides it being listed as an S, it looks like it's in good shape.

Sorry, but for that price, this 1998 C2S is the better buy: :evilgrin:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...18k-miles.html

These look good - all in CA -

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/6143085727.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/6146614280.html - Just posted last night
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...144970142.html - This one looks really really good - price is fair and low mileage.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/6114444814.html - This one is posted on the board here too.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/6144547902.html - overpriced - cool bumper though.

96 Midnight Blue C4S! $82,993. I hear good things about this shop and they sponsor PCA events in NorCal

http://hitecauto.us/car-listing/1996-porsche-993-c4s/

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/6119267681.html

Is the market such that cabs are worth $10k less??? Same color combo, similar mileage (can is actually less). Or am I missing something.

Yes, $10k less for a cab sounds typical from what I've seen. Smaller audience, perception of less performance/capability, more stuff to go wrong.

Prices are all over the place for these things.

Meh, I haven't seen very many coupes in this thread that I'd trade straight across for.

$47 for the cab seems good for a no stories car (assuming no stories). Then again, I am a cab guy.

Any idea what a 'full leather' interior adds to the value of a 993 Cab?

A options value of a twenty year old 993 series ..
 

993 model types certainly have a known relationship to value, but specific options might rest, In-the-eyes-of-the-beholder ,,, or in this case buyer. An answer to your query might be; days on market ala the Real Estate metric or value in use.
The Full Leather option cost on the 993 cabriolet was roughly $3,000. and $4,200 for coupes. The Twin Turbo model 993 had a Full Leather interior as built from the get-go.

There are plenty of Full Leather interior advocate's out there; This was the first option box checked when ordering the S coupe. Yet for others leather interior is the last option purchased, if at all. On the flip side, I'am casting for a 1-owner Cayman, only Full Leather will do.

Spot on, Mr. Schneider, it was indeed a $3k option.

Disraeli Gears -
Nice 993 build .... an "understated" aesthetic motif order if there ever was; paint-to-sample, black Full Leather, w/Supple Leather, Pwr, heated, lumbar seating, Litronic's, etc., A very nice understated 993 C4 cabriolet.

Out of curiosity - What's the PTS color called? As an aside, IIRC the 993 production offered a Metallic White-ish something-or-other paint color for a stupid $10,000- amount.

I wish I could get a wind deflector for $357 these days. Even used. Have not seen many in the wild.

Thank you Herr Schneider, here's the full sticker from my original Rennlist thread.

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...l#post13596406

Disraeli -
Pearl White metallic.. is the PTS option's color description. Very nice ...

Is it reasonable to think tip drops the value at least 10-20% if not more? I notice a lot of the normal->good condition tip 993 are not selling even at low $40k to late $50k.

I noticed more low mileage 993's are showing up for sale recently. Here are some examples. Also a few for sale in the 50k mile range. Just an observation. I haven't seen this many for sale all at once.

27k miles
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...condition.html
17k miles
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-c4-coupe.html
22k miles
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-for-sale.html
17k miles
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...18k-miles.html

Not just low mileage cars need mileage and high mileage as well. That is what happens when the market almost doubles within two years. ( that was about three years ago ) Makes sense that a lot of cars are now coming out of the garage because they are not being used and there is a reason to take a high price at this point . It may take a bit to absorb the current inventory . Like any commodity there are ups and downs in the marketplace . If you still have it now might be the time to drive it !

Would you put targa's in the same camp as the cab?

hit send too soon, I was referring to the 10k less than a coupe reference.

From what I see, Ask prices for 993 Targas are running 10-20% above C2 coupes.

Ohh, those were GTI's, I see it now...thanks!

97 Targa. 18K miles. Stratospheric Ask of $105K
http://www.scottsdalesport.com/detai...-15999912.html

97 Targa. 50K miles. Ask $69,5
http://www.leftcoastclassics.com/199...che-911-targa/

97 Targa. 38K miles. BIN $69,9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152569907117...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

97 Targa. 33K miles. Ask $66,4
https://cargur.us/gLPs_

97 Targa TIP. 28K miles. Ask $71,5
https://cargur.us/gXtry

96 Targa. 27K Miles. Ask $83K
https://cargur.us/gXl_D

96 Targa. 58K Miles. Ask $69,9K
https://cargur.us/gXmhk

96 Targa TIP, 43K Miles, Ask $75,5
https://cargur.us/gXtzJ

98 Targa, 80K Miles, Ask $69,9
https://cargur.us/gXtCG

But please, by all means, do post up some inexpensive 993 Targas. :corn:

A lot of lines in the water but who's nibbling at those prices?

FWIW, I'd love to own a Targa but I'm not about to pay for the most expensive house in that neighborhood.

Asking prices mean nothing.

The only price that matters, is the price the car sells for :cheers:

Asking price is the ONLY data point available. A previous poster asked about pricing of the Targas relative to the C2 Coupes and whether they were discounted similarly to the Cabs.

I posted my general observation about ASK prices.

Somebody tried to question my ability to gauge this delta.

I posted data supporting my position.

If you have recent actual selling prices of Targas, then please post them. It would certainly be more useful than Asks. But in the absence of that data, Ask is all that is available.

This thread is dedicated to discussing cars For Sale. That's what I'm doing.

Selling my '97 Cabriolet. Here's the listing here on Rennlist. Car is in excellent condition:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...cabriolet.html

Bought a 2016 Boxster Spyder and don't have the garage space. Will consider reasonable offers.

Thanks!

Interesting this '95 didn't sell (top bid $52,600). 25k miles, Black on black, coupe, 6 speed and two owners. Are '95s not as valuable because it doesn't have the VARIORAM? I thought this was a $60k car all day.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/282493078238?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&_mwBanner=1

I am relatively new to 993s but have been climbing the learning curve as fast as possible and it's my assumption that you are correct: 1995s, pre Varioram, are not worth the same as 1996-98s.

Love to hear thoughts of others.

It's a personal preference thing. For me, two identical cars in every way, I'd pay a bit more for a 95. I'm on my 4th 993, 2WD, AWD, skinny, and WB. They're all very nice but wouldn't have anything but an early 95 C2. For me these are the pros:
-no immobilizer
-uncluttered engine bay
-one O2 sensor
-no CEL for SAI
-basket handle

cons:
-no remote fob but that's an easy fix (T lock)
-a few HP less than Varioram but not something you'll feel

I think eBay is iffy. One day a seemingly great car doesn't sell, the next week, it sells for over what you would think.

+1. Ace10 ... Nice assembly of trending "ask" offers for our 993 Targa brethren ...

A resent thread/post referred to the Targa as "the most expensive house in the neighborhood". So true with the neu 993 Targa II style roof and associated service costs $$$.

I've not had to service the roof on the C2S coupe once, knock on wood !

Without knowing what the reserve price was, it's just not possible to say why bidding ended here. Maybe the reserve was $70k, it's all speculation with proper numbers.

I recently sold a 96 and bought a 95. There's not "that" much difference in the price between the years. I honestly think the polarizing basket handle is the thing that makes people like or dislike the earlier cars. For me, the emission BS with the 96 was the straw that broke the camels back and going to the simpler ODB1 system was just the right thing to do for me. Apart from the too-hard race suspension which will be getting swapped out later this week, the cars feel very similar to each other as far as I can tell.

G

I hated the immobilizer on my '97 and '98.
If I get another 993, I'll be looking for a '95 without the drive block. Not wild about the basket handle but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

You can get the immobilizer removed with an ECU flash, so don't let that be a reason for avoiding a 97.

Late model 95's have the high-mounted 3rd brake light.

100% concur on the drive-block system. Not missed at all.

G

USA spec targa, manual and sports seats:

http://www.lacentrale.fr/auto-occasi...-63263834.html

seems under-priced but the dealer seems to be clueless about what he is selling:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Porsche...lZLZ-c&vxp=mtr

"Rode hard, and put away wet."

The set of 19 mismatched lug nuts speak to a certain level of care. At least to me.


I've seen a couple of fair condition Arena Reds sit for a loooooong time locally. Beginning to think it should be called "No Sale Red."

and then... there is this

https://bham.craigslist.org/cto/6163987795.html

Not sure I agree with the "no sale red" comment. I have one and have had multiple offers and it's not for sale. A good car is the differentiator. This care is a POS. Look at the hood alignment. And who put that tail on a NB car? Plus it looks like the car is jacked up in the rear! not to mention the lug nut thing and who knows what else. This thing is hiding some secrets.

Had the Porsche classic radio installed in my car and it's amazing...brings such a fun and enjoyable car up to the present with streaming music, etc.

These cars are worth every penny of the increasing value. Fun, agile, quick, manual, small footprint and sounds amazing and looks the part. Love mine. Find a good one and run with it.

There's something funky going on with the passenger's side dashboard as well.

This just popped up today. Haven't seen a lot of nice black on black ones without issues. I bet this goes fast at $58k

http://www.stareuropean.com/details.php?auto_id=1025

I have not witnessed this car in the flesh, but I'm not seeing anything too strange in the pics. Bumperettes have been painted.

97 C4S, 50K miles. Arena Red. Factory HB seats, factory Aerokit II.
Asking $85,9 OBO

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...FZPqNZ&vxp=mtr

On the market for 420+ days. Originally listed at $109,9, multiple price reductions, last one back in Nov16.

Sold. Quick indeed.

ace, the C4S you're referencing looks AWESOME. Solid solid car- If i were in the market, I'd be all over that one. The one above that liisted for 49ish in houston is a total POS with a LOT of hidden issues. Another I just noticed is the headlight washers are wrong as is the beading between the bumper and fenders. This car's been hit- no question about it.

That's it. That's why the passengers dash looks so wonky. I bet the airbags were deployed.

I wonder about long term future demand as alt fuel becomes more mainstream and driverless cars become the norm. Will the millennials share our passion for the 993's?

I am very found of the 55 Chevy. I was surprised to see how generational changes are now starting to effect those values. I have to believe it will catch up with the 993 someday as well. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...de-away-page-2

With regards to near term pricing we should all consider ourself fortunate. Most cars are deprecating assets. The 993 will likely not fall into this catagory anytime soon. That makes for relatively guilt free ownership.

I own a 31k mile Arena Red C4S. It's a VERY clean California car. How many such examples remain? It can't be a big number. I have to assume value for such a car will remain strong. I consider myself very fortunate to have owned it for 10+ years. As I creep closer to retirement I will have to consider tapping that equity as I downsize housing etc.

To fellow owners, enjoy! To those waiting on the sidelines for the "right deal" don't wait to long. If you find something you really like pull the trigger. You will likely enjoy a free ride if taken care of properly.

What do you guys think of this 97 C4S? It seems a bit over priced but I love the Pastel Yellow with the Aero kit. They've had this on their lot for almost two years. It's a one owner car.

https://www.porscheofcoloradosprings...-4s-c-1529.htm

I think there's something hinky with the car. Aside from the color not being one of the super-popular ones.

The carfax shows that it's been there for coming up on two years. When it was taken in, it hadn't been serviced. That's a bad sign, especially for a one owner. Did they defer everything, or just this final service that was due on mileage? The car was listed at $89,9 last year, when the market was still hot, and yet the car sat. Carfax shows a PPI a couple months ago, resulting in no sale. What's the deal with the parcel shelf split? A pic would be nice. Is that a common issue?

I kinda like it. Pastel looks pretty sweet in low light. Not so much otherwise.

I don't know if the P Dealer would allow an outside PPI, but that'd definitely be on requirements list. And the selling price would absolutely have to start with a "7."

$0.02

"Dealer Handling" is only $600. :rolleyes:

Worth a closer investigation. I imagine it sat due to price. Even at market peak it was a strong ask.

Good luck!

I'm going to a road rally on Saturday that starts and ends at the dealership. I'll take a closer look and maybe go for a test drive. My SA has been very honest with me in the past on which cars to pass on.

It's not a bad looking car. I actually love the yellow/black combo. Three things you may want to look into:
1. Rear lid/spoiler fit issue. Maybe it's not closed completely?
2. Driver's door check strap looks like spot-welded
3. Oil pressure shouldn't be pegged above 5 at idle. More like ~1.5 - 2.5

Nice feedback on the rear lid and oil pressure.

Can you explain your second comment? Not sure exactly what you are referring too. Thanks!

As one of those millennials who drives both an EV as a daily driver and a 993, I can say there will be demand going forward for classic Porsches like the 993. Demand will likely contract as my parents generation gets too old to drive these cars (heaven forbid) and fewer younger drivers see the appeal of driving something as ancient as a 90's 911. While I would much rather commute in my EV through Bay Area traffic, there is no question which car I'd rather be in when I want to go drive for the sake of driving.

Its going to take the right types of people to keep the culture alive. I grew up around vintage Porsches. My father restored, showed, and hobby raced many 356s (one at a time) before they appreciated beyond his financial grasp. Growing up attending track/concourse/Monterey Car Week events, I can pretty safely say my Pcar culture enthusiasm is here to stay. I am sure there are others like me that have grown up in-and-around car culture who will always crave it.

Sure many millennials will want the latest and greatest automated technology-loaded transportation. For starters, with autonomous cars you'll have even more free time to mess around on your smart phone...! But honestly those sorts of cars are boring. They will be about as engaging as riding around the back seat of a taxi. I look forward to the dawn of widespread autonomous zero-emission vehicles, because our environment will be cleaner and there will be fewer cars clogging up my favorite back roads. ;)

The 993s are always going to be special cars: 1) They are the last of the air cooled, old-world 911s; 2) They have a balance between analog feel and more modern/streamlined aesthetic; 3) They have minimal electronic nannies, so it is really just you, the car, and physics at play.

For those that want to experience the waltz that is driving a 911 regardless of your age or generation, you will be hard pressed to find a more engaging dance partner than the 993.

Mani- when you open either door, you'll see the check-strap support poking out of the jam. The actual strap located inside your door is attached here. The weld inside the fender/jam securing the support is notorious for breaking, causing a nasty clicking or clacking sound when opening or closing the door. The correct repair is pricey. The cheap repair is a quick spot-weld on the door jam. But this is only temporary as the cheap spot weld will crack again. The photo resolution isn't that great but it looks to me it has the cheap spot weld.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...cea2921cab.jpg

This looks nice

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/322244

'97 Carrera
Black Metallic / Cashmere
6-speed, Hardbacks, Bilsteins, top end done
130k miles, $43k

+1. Agreed. The Porsche dealership's description of the coupe calls attention to a singular defect of concern, a 10 inch torn parcel shelve. Yet glaringly omits a photograph of the 10" torn parcel shelve. Okay, color me stupid.

The Colorado Springs area has grown in population exponentially over the past couple of decades. Adjacent to C. Springs is the Air Force Academy operations and Fort Carson Army Base both of which anchor the region.
FWIW ... back in the '90's I looked over a few Porsche's For Sale which were Grey Market status.. Just an aside.

+1. Agreed. Great starting point for a daily driver 993 coupe. A 2-owner coupe having lived its life in the southern states goes easy on the exterior finish. All disclaimers apply.

The north Atlanta area Jim Ellis Porsche dealership once had a few air-cooled Techs worthy of working on a 993..... Not so much currently is my $.02.

I talked to this guy a bit about the car. It looks nice. hardbacks are great. The mileage is big but for a daily driver it would be good. I offered him $40k for it but he wanted more. It was on Autotrader for months and months at $45k.

Hey gmorat -
By chance,,, have you viewed this ^ '97 993 coupe in-person? As for your offer of $40,000 ...

Presumably,,, any long term Porsche owner/seller would have factor'd in some percentage of leeway from their asking price. As the PPI of a 20 year old Porsche is bound for some discovery ... Spending $2,000 or more $.. is cake.

I didn't go and see it myself. I was looking for a 95 and I saw this one and said 'maybe?'. The mileage is huge and in the end, I'd rather spend more and get to 130k miles myself. The reality is that car is a great drivers car which will probably maintain it's value. The guy seemed honest and straightforward enough but I offered him $40k because in passing he mentioned that some guy offered him $38k and he was considering replying with a $40k counter-offer. I emailed him a few weeks later and said I'd give him the $40k he wanted and let's arrange a PPI. At that point, he'd talked to some dealership/consigner in Arizona or something who told him his car was worth a mint and now he was looking for more. As I wasn't really looking for a 97, I decided then to continue on my way.

I ended up buying a 95 with 78k and an engine rebuild. As with the other car I bought, stuff is in need
of fixing or customization on these cars so whatever you spend, you have to figure up to $5k to get the car the way you want it to be.

I may easily break that figure as the suspension in the car was a rock hard H&R setup and the A/C is acting up without going into what I spent on new mats, LED lighting, HID's and a good detail to knock out the last vestiges of the prior owner.

Having bought two of these cars now I can say that PPI's don't catch everything so be specific with what is important to you. If you want a cosmetically sound car then stress that to the shop doing the work. I was obsessed with the quality of the engine rebuild as he lacked proper documentation for the actual work. The compression numbers came back super consistent across the board and the leak-down was less than 2% per cylinder. When I got the car here I wish I had asked about a few other areas where money needs to be spent (seeping steering rack on drivers side for instance) but in the end, they are 20+ year old cars. My experience is that the people selling these cars either aren't aware that there are issues, long got used to something not working and now think it's just a quirk or knows there are issues and are hoping you won't ask or notice. I looked at 7+ cars and every one of them just needed the freon recharged:)

Which reminds of something I saw over this weekend.

http://www.classicautosmith.com/1996..._268416376.veh

The Bid/Ask spread is becoming laughable. I realize the Turbo in the linky is low mileage, but that Ask is something like 50% over where the market is.

And for all intents and purposes, we're halfway through the driving season for somebody looking to acquire a car this year.

Flippers sitting on inventory must be having flop sweats. Consigners clearly DNGAF and will continue to promise fantasy prices for owners.

My "sitting-on-the-sidelines" position on acquiring a 993 is slowly shifting to a "maybe next year" view. Feels like it's gonna take another winter for this all to shake out. Plenty of other stuff to drive and enjoy. Interest rates will begin to play a role in all this, as well.

$0.02

Word, I had one and sold it because of emission issues and a prior on it's records and after trying a cheaper alternative for a few months, I wanted back in on a car with a completely clean carfax and no SAI/ODB2 issues to worry about. Once you get bitten and smitten by these cars you're done for!

G

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-cashmere.html

97 C2S, 74,000 miles, Zenith Blue
$69,993

Wow, that's a beauty and I feel as though a killer deal.

I agree, I'm imagining the man of the fox's phone is glowing red about now. That's a great looking car.

And it looks very nice in person too. Was at German car day at Larz Museum this last Sunday. Seats look brand new.

I just recently downgraded by 2 from a 993 to a 991.:roflmao:

And I am therefore selling my 993. I am open to reasonable offers and would love for this car to go to a good home. It has been a great drive for the last 7 years, and it will always carry a special place in my heart since it was my first Porsche. Having been a fan of Audi and BMW for years I never really got to experience the other German brand, and it has totally won me over.

The only reason I am letting go of this car is that the cabin is a bit tight for me. I am 6'4" and even though I fit, it is not as much fun, and not as comfortable for me as I would like it to be.

Anyway, link for the ad is below in my signature. PM me if you have any questions.

This was or is Foxman's Car isn't it?

Yes - also listed on RL classifieds:

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...nith-blue.html

Anybody know what a 993 C4S 98k miles with engine swap (same 3.6l) vario ram would be at with a windows out repaint red? Car was originally red to begin with... like 55k? 50k?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Porsche...5ZJxfr&vxp=mtr

This one has been offered for sale many, many times. The last I saw of it was back in March, with a BIN of $248K. Now bargain bin priced at $189,900 :)

Thoughts on this C2?

http://www.netcarshowroom.com/vehicl...tx-id-18176847

Sold on eBay a couple years ago for $54k so clearly a bit high asking for a C2. Looks like the dealer bought it hoping to make some cash on the 993 bubble and got stuck with it, cargurus says it has been on the market for ~6 months..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...-/131619746396

Pretty low miles but has a number of mods which might not be desirable to everyone, as the seller mentioned in the eBay listing.

this white 993 is (or was?) owned by a member here. I cant recall his user name but he once sent me a drop box link and its definitely that car. I didnt pursue it given the beyond astronomical price.

That odometer blemish on the title history isn't doing anything to boost the value of that car IMO. Appears to be an error, but it's there.

Thanks for the info, the fact that it was owned by a rennlister is definitely appealing.

Clearly the asking price is too high but I think upper 50's, possibly very low 60's (if there was a spotless PPI) would be fair, based on comparable cars in the price tracking thread.

owner was not at all interested in offers. full price or nada

When accused of taking multiple deposits on the car and selling it out from under an unknowing party, the seller did not deny it.

Who does that? And why?

As I stated in the sale thread, Ace, "[t]he car is sold to the party that first tendered the required deposit. I regret that I only have one zenith to sell, and that all parties could not be completely satisfied."

A local enthusiast from CT cut his vacation short, and took a ferry and drove hours to come see the car. Moments before he arrived I received an electronic deposit from a gentleman reportedly from Dubai for half of what I had initially required. It was a catch 22, and to be frank I was a bit dubious about the Dubai thing. Communication was also sporadic. I apologized profusely to the gentleman in Dubai, and returned his deposit. I did not seek a bidding war, and the car sold for asking price and no more. That's the who, and the why, and I deeply regret that I couldn't make all parties happy here. :(

Seems perfectly straightforward to me and I would have done exactly the same thing.

I can't imagine anyone doing better in the same situation.

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/6188535141.html

Not sure how modified cars stack up in prices.

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/6196691353.html

4S with 55k miles

Just a comment to encourage people to include the price in their post when they link to a Craigslist ad. Eventually the link will go down and the asking price will be lost at that point. Thanks!

That could be a cracking car depending on further investigation.

Wish factory option sticker and aftermarket mods included in these posts

This just came up in the bay area. Super clean, but doesn't it seem like a really steep price for 43K miles?
http://www.scottsdalesport.com/detai...-15595809.html

Got to do something about that SUV ride-height!!
Otherwise a clean looking car!

https://photos.ebizautos.com/used-19...5809-2-640.jpg

This looks like the car Rudy (Opo) scored from the 993 Rennlist page on Facebook. I could be mistaken though.

I thought the same thing!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/112456747261

Here's a good example of a 993 that should be getting more interest than it seems to be.
The seller is asking $105k which seems high for a NB even considering the mileage.

They first listed it at $119,9 (LOL), bidding hit $61,2 last time they put it up. It's sitting at $50K on this current listing with a few hours to go.

There ***might*** be a buyer somewhere looking to pay all the money +++ for a lightly optioned, ultra-low miles NB 993 in a common color, but that person probably isn't trolling ebay.

I don't know why bidding hasn't been more active, it's certainly not a $50-60K car.

IMO, the current market value on that car is mid $80s, maybe a bit lower. Somebody should have driven that poor car.

I've been looking for a 993 C2 the last few weeks and it doesn't seem like the market has softened much.... maybe less cars are changing hands but the asking prices are still pretty strong.

-mike

The auction ended last night, and again the high bid was $61,2

The first time it reached that mark, there were five ebayers pushing the button

When the second auction ended ten days later, there were only two interested parties bidding.

If that seller lists a third time, that tells me that they likely do not understand supply/demand, pricing, and how to market a car.

$0.02

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Hey all, I'm trying as hard as I can to convince myself I don't need a 993 as I just took delivery of my 991.2 C4, but my resolve is weak. I'm setting up barriers that I hope are just about impossible to meet to help me sleep at night, as in I'm looking for THE right 993 for me and won't settle.

My criteria is C2 Coupe, 6 Speed, White on Black, with service records (for at least a little bit of peace of mind). If a West Coast car even better.

I came across this example which is close to what I'm tentatively looking for, just wanted to get your guys' thoughts on condition/price etc of the car. Seems like some non-OEM modifications have been done to it whereas I was hoping for as close to stock as possible, but pickings are slim for these cars!

http://www.netcarshowroom.com/vehicl...tx-id-18176847

Thanks guys

Sammy

That car changes hands at an epic clip. Half of the owners kept it for under a year.

Here's the listing for the previous sale
https://www.vroom.com/cars_and_truck...supported=true

Sold on Ebay for $56K in late 2015
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...p2047675.l2557

Appears that it was put up for auction in 2010, but did not sell
http://www.silverauctions.com/auctio...07&lotid=26509


Too many owners, too high Ask. At least for me.

Wow, nice research. I agree, first thing I saw on the CarFax was 8 owners! For sure I think pricing is a bit high or at least what I'm comfortable spending unless I knew at first sight it fit everything I was looking for and more. Question is if I wanted to peel the onion more how much lower would I offer... I like at least that some of the owners seemed to have been enthusiasts who kept the car in good order and it has some service records. But I am also totally fine with passing and waiting for now.

Enjoy the hunt. Don't settle.

this seem fair... if checks out:

https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ctd/6207363893.html

Sent you a PM Sammy.

This one made me do a double take. Then I LOL'd.

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...l#post14315987

That's weird. The FS thread is now gone.

Well, for documentation's sake... it was a '98 Targa. White. With 40-50K miles and the Ask was just under $100K. Can't recall all the exact details.

Gone but not forgotten: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Porsche...kAAOSwiA9ZZZc5

A little high on the mileage but very reasonably priced for a 98 C2S assuming no spotty accident history.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...217144235.html

Depending on where you stand on the C4, this one could be a pretty good possibility.

I think it just came up for sale, as I've not come across is previously.

http://www.leftcoastclassics.com/199...-993-c4-coupe/

'95 C4 in Polar over Grey. 56K miles. Ask $48,5

California car entire life. Clean Carfax, but paintwork on front is disclosed.

The dealer posts an incredible number of pics. And a video. Yet no pic of the build sticker. LOL

There is some question whether the 60K service was performed, or not.

I don't call many cars a "Buy" but from the info presented, it certainly strikes me as one. Seems like you could have a lot of car for mid $40s.

Ace- looks like a nice clean car!

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/322808

'96 C4S Polar Silver / Black with Aero Kit II
29k miles, $109k
RUF 19's, painted GT3 seats, PSS9, RS suspension parts

probably sold. not responding to emails...

is a "sorry sold" so hard to type up?

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/322859

'97 TTS
Arctic Silver / Grey
67k miles / $275k

^^ that might be one of the better deals on an S TT

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...3-gt2-evo.html

993 GT2 Evo
Only for track
Price on request

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/322927

'95 Cab
Guards Red / Cashmere
34k miles / $59k
Batphone!

Typo
 

I had to ask about this one but it is missing a 1 in front of the price. If not I would have put down a deposit today.
https://www.pca.org/node/322408

Hey guys, been searching for a 993 NB coupe for the past few months. Here is one that has a great service history... wish it was white or blue.

http://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/da.../911-S436.html

95 C2 Guards Red/Cashmere
$55K, I sent over comps around $45k-$50k and the seller thought it was worth more
49K miles
B&B exhaust & M030 springs
New AC, recent belts and valve cover reseal, PPI is good, maintenance records are solid with the owner storing the car every winter and getting the oil changed/brakes flushed and detailed before it goes into hibernation.

Here is a white on grey 95 C2

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...lE?usp=sharing

95 C2
Seattle, WA
$48.5K, multiple offers at asking. Seller told me it is about to sell this week sans issues with a PPI
88K miles
H&R + PSS10 suspension + 18s + New tires
Seller found an accident in front that was not detected in previous PPI. Maintenance records going back to 04. Clean carfax. Seeping valve covers and original clutch.

Do a thorough google search on Gateway Classics.

I was considering a Merc W126 they were offering. My due diligence quickly turned up enough negatives on the seller to gladly walk away.

Ask them about having your own PPI done. See what they say.

I think the Gateway car is on consignment. They shared the receipts and PPI report. Here is a spreadsheet of the maintenance.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

In the end passed on it as I like white or blue. I have noticed a lot of Guards Red 993s for sale... I am still a noob trying to understand the 993 NB coupe market, as I just started the hunt for one seriously this past month. Are there more of them?

For the guys watching the porsche market..
 

97 C2S with 34,000 miles sells for < $80K

In the not too distant past this sold for $100K+

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/199...1-carrera-s-2/

I would say that is a steal for $77K.... + = $82K ... still ... sky is falling...:crying:

It was $82K with the vig.

Car had low-ish miles, but virtually zero options. And did have a replacement on the front fender.

The BaT format basically precludes a prospective buyer from having a PPI done, or even seeing the car in person. Which certainly should also factor into the price someone is willing to pay.

993 market is getting chilly. No doubt about it.

The sky is falling.

what a steal!

There's a great thread for these market and value conversations. https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...on-thread.html It helps keep the rest of the 993 Technical Forum on point.

Great deal for sure, but as others have said, not many good options, not desirable wheels, and beige interior isn't the top choice for most. Then there's the replacement front fender....

Still, it was well bought, and most of the flaws could be remedied with more money, but as it sits, this wasn't the most desirable C2S around.

Mine has 32,000 miles, sport seats, motor sound, LSD/ABD, 18 inch wheels, 100% original paint and I figure that it will sell for $90K when I find the right Tip to replace it. So, this car was well bought, but not far off what I think it was worth after the buyer's premium. A 30,000 mile 993 was never worth north of $100K to me...

I will assist you in your search for a Tip, if that's $90K CAD.



:D

Money is moving to water cooled cars.

I bought a large commercial property in Mexico and am collecting 996 and 997 MT turbos.

I will make tons and tons of money in the next 5 or 15 no 5 years on all my many cars.

Investors wanted.

I wish that was the market again...$120k Cdn 😀

I love these threads but I'll never understand them. I owned my last house for 11 years and didn't care what it was worth until three weeks before I sold it.

Who are the day traders moving this market?

Merging this thread with the Great American 993s for Sale + Price Discussion thread.

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/323048

'95 Coupe
Polar Silver / Flamenco Red
187k miles / $37,993
Needs reseal

I think that's a rennlister's car no?

I posted what appeared to be a reasonably priced C4 a few days ago.

Here's another.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122610600325....N36.S1.R1.TR2

1995 C4, Midnight Blue over Blue/Grey, 23K miles. $56K ask

The mods are not of my taste, but the core looks pretty good. The listing is way short on details about condition of car.

The Speedlines look like replicas, but I'm far from an authority on the subject.

Honest description of a car in serious need of work. No end to what it could cost. I think that high thirties is beyond unrealistic.

Damn! Thats a great deal.

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/323109

'96 C4
Guards Red / Black
93k miles / $61,500
One owner!

looking forward to that...
 

and looking...

Whats up guys, I actually bought this car...

Jeff ( PO ) his wife actually put it up for what he owed and immediately took it down, i found the car for a 52500 asking price and actually paid close to it. This is still a 97' C2 with 37k miles - Full RS spec tranny - rs spec cage - motons and big reds with other odds and ends.

just sold on eBay, pretty good deal...

1995 Porsche 911 Carerra 4
$39K, no reserve

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Porsche...p2047675.l2557

Hey Rennlisters,

Can you help me price this 993?

100k miles
2 owners
Most maintence records
No accidents and no rust
No leaks/seeping
Good tires and brakes
Standard 993 manual coupe + LSD + M033 springs
Zenith blue/grey
Exterior is a #3/4 (a few small dings and scratches, good paint, needs new rear lens, no curb rash)
Interior is a #4/5 (dash faded needs a redye or refurb, driver's seat needs refurb or leather reupholstering and plastic pieces, steering wheel needs replacement due to excessive leather wear)
88k full top end job++ (valve guides, pistons, rings, sai port clean) + clutch
100k major maintenance (fluids flush, new belts, new alternator, new battery, new wiring harness, and fan shroud spindle replacement- mechanic says the bolt that attaches the pulley to the fan was stripped out
... so replaced)

Thanks!

$45,993

Thanks. Going to see this one tomorrow!

$43,5

If they're asking >$50 then it's probably not going to happen.

Even better!

Don't you mean $43,993?

How much do you think this one is worth?

http://www.grandprimotors.com/detail...23917891?cid=5

97 C2 manual coupe (ad is wrong)
82K miles
$57K asking
Options -> LSD, Hifi sound, stainless shift/brake, CD player + CD slots (Sure will be a relic in our time)
1 owner
No accidents, but repainted on the left side due to someone keying it years ago
Custom BBS mesh wheels (I would blast the centers and make them silver or gold again)
Looks much cleaner cosmetically than the previous one I just posted...

The only downside for this car is no maintenance records... dealer says it needs a new clutch.

It looks beautiful but it's going to need some work. Without knowledge of what's been done, the asking price is too high. If they were asking 50k I'd think you could get it into the right range.

Condition is far more important than miles in my opinion. With unknown condition this is too much of a risk.

Thanks. When you say condition are you referring to the mechanicals like suspension, engine, and drivetrain?

yes plus more! A good inspection will give you more information but it can't catch everything. With no records I think this one is just priced too high - 7-10k too high.

Just my my free opinion and you get what you pay for ;)

How much?
 

Ad says 4-speed automatic?? Looks manual.
Heated seats not mentioned.
I live in Portland, visit Grand Prix just to cruise.
Nice place, pretty good reputation. They buy many of their cars at auctions, often in CA.
Can check car and recommend PPI's if someone is serious.

I may have missed it, was this one already discussed?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Porsche...VZWVvw&vxp=mtr

Looks very fair. 1 Owner!

:surr:https://autokennel.com/1997-porsche-...turbo-s-coupe/

What a bargain!
$439,990

95 C2 manual coupe 62K miles $54K
 

Hey guys, what do you think of this one?

http://www.intersportautosales.com/1...2/Details.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsWT...ature=youtu.be

95 C2 manual coupe
Stock + LSD
62K miles
Maintenance records
Iris Blue!

The video is super cheeseball but the car looks worth a closer look. Pricing is close enough to be worth negotiating if it inspects well. I wonder how comprehensive the records are?

I love the color!

That Iris blue at Intersport is what I would describe as "rough."

I've looked at it briefly twice and came away with the same impression. The pics look better than the reality, IMO. I know nothing about the mechanicals.

It is stored outside. And I don't think it has been moved in a while. It's been on their books for the better part of a year and a half.

Stored outside would turn me away immediately. Anyone who cares for these cars is going to store them inside if at all possible.

Interesting to watch your process Samurai. Its hard to find a good one!

@Ace thanks for that, won't waste my time on this one then... The carfax says it was last registered in 2015 in Cali.

96 C2 coupe manual, GP White, 55K miles, $63K
 

Tell me about it. It has been a great learning experience.

This one is my backyard. I am going to look at this garage queen tomorrow.

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/322984

96 C2 coupe manual
GP white/Cashmere
55K Miles
$63K asking
Six owners, last one PCA owned for 10 years, maintenance records since 2003
Needs a 60K maintenance

^ Saw that one...looks like a cream puff!

Hey pricing experts, what do you think this 96 C2 worth?

In the past 45 days I have been watching the market for these nicer samples that have sold...

Here are 3 comps

1. 95 Midnight Blue 41K miles- $58K asking. Should be sold this week.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...er-beauty.html

2. 97 Black 40K miles, PCA owned for 12 years- $62K asking. Sold.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4...3FWV1kxZTMycXM

3. 97 Arena Red 23K miles, PCA owned for 13 years- $62K asking. Sold.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...k1KV2xDVVlGazg

So I saw and drove the 96 C2 today. Here is an update

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...EE?usp=sharing

1. Exterior- 7/10 #3 No dings and no rust, but curb rash on rims and curb rash on the bottom of front bumper. Lenses look in good shape with minimal haze. Rear fender rock guard film needs to be replaced as they are off-color compared to body. There are also various scratches and nicks, that I would not have a problem with except that the previous owner used the wrong color white touch-up paint so it looks worse than not doing anything about it. I would give it a 8/10 #2.5 if this touch-up paint #fail was not there. Pictures of scratches and touch-up paint in the album above.

2. Interior- 8/10 #2.5 The interior is very clean. No stains no cracks. Shift knob showing wear. Floor mats should be replaced. Seats have no cracks, but a few creases that can easily be addressed with the right leather refurbishment. Driver's side door strap has been repaired with a weld and painted over.

3. Mechanical- Starts with a touch of smoke from right exhaust pipe. Idles smooth and oil pressure at 5 while driving. Clutch engages smoothly and shifts through the gears easily. Reverse gear engages smoothly too. Hard braking from 60-0 and car tracks straight with no shakes. Likewise cruising and accelerating hard the car tracks straight with no shakes. Rear tires need to be replaced soon, front tires ok. Maintenance records go back to 2003. Valve cover gaskets replaced a few years ago. No oil leaks. Couldn't tell if there is seeping. In the engine bay the fan shroud showed oxidation. Picture in the album above.

4. Carfax shows six owners and no accidents. Car started in CA, moved to HI for a few years, changed a few owners and was bought by the current owner in HI and brought back to CA where it has been here for the since 2010. The previous owner says there are four owners including her. Will clarify with her.

So.... seems like $63k is a stupid amount of money to ask for that car, right?

I can really only talk to what I'd be willing to spend on a car, which may or may not be what the market thinks.

For the white car, given what I know, I think its worth low 50k. If maintenance records show any additional big jobs done it would go up from there.

Thanks.

A few more details...

1. No accidents- other than bad touch up paint job which a body shop will need to remove and do it right.

2. Front lower valence and skid plate need to be replaced. They have curb rash beyond refurbishment.

3. All four wheels have curb rash.

4. I took a video under the car and similar to the fan shroud, the suspension components had light white oxidation. I assume these pieces are magnesium or aluminum which the salty air in Hawaii probably got to the few years the car was on the islands.

5. Other than the valve cover reseal, no major maintenance or repairs have been done. It is due for a 60K maintenance.

6. I couldn't get the AC to work properly. The normal fan did not work well either.

7. Engine lid gas shocks need replacement.

8. The fan in front (I assume for the oil cooler) is not working properly per a PPI they did a year ago.

Here are the pictures...

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...EE?usp=sharing

Nice job on the thorough visual and drive inspection.

The car sounds like a money-sucking vortex for the next owner. Unless you ignore all the cosmetic stuff and stick with the mechanicals. And even then. Chasing the HVAC issues sounds like a lot of fun.

At least the lid struts are cheap and DIY. LOL

Front fan is most likely the ballast in the fender. The fact that it hasn't been replaced in a year would make me question how well the car has been maintained.

I would assume 10-15k in maintenance in the first year just to get it to where it should be mechanically. The cosmetic stuff will be on top of that. Maybe another 5k.

I would focus on mechanicals first and chip away at cosmetic stuff later. With the lack of maintenance I'd downgrade the fair price to compensate, so I wouldn't pay more than mid 40's for that car.

I'm a condition over miles guy so the 55k miles doesn't sway me much other than the fact that once you are done the car will have more value to others if the miles stay low.

On the other hand, maybe prices are still rising and I'm off my rocker ;)

Guys, thanks for being a sounding board for me through this process.

All of your comments have been super helpful to understand what is important and not.

So to summarize the short list

1. 97 Zenith Blue Daily Driver
Pros- Major mechanical updates- clutch, SAI cleaning, top-end rebuild, electrical, brakes, tires, major maintenance. Two previous owners, current owner for 18 years. Original paint and no accidents.
Cons- It was a daily driver so interior needs refurbishment and a good detail/paintless ding repairs

2. 96 GP White Garage Queen
Pros- Clean exterior and interior. Not perfect, but can be addressed over time. Original paint and no accidents. Mature current owner for 10 years.
Cons- Price too high @$62K. Six previous owners. Deferred 60K maintenance. Top-end still original. Low miles, but eventually needs a clutch and SAI job since it is a OBDII = $5-10K...

3. 97 Zenith Blue Garage Babe (Portland Car)
Pros- Beautiful. Exterior and interior immaculate. Has a LSD and BBS 18 mesh wheels. It is pending at $53K. Two previous owners, sold by dealer and previous owner owned for two years.
Cons- No maintenance records. Needs a clutch.

Clear which one I need to focus on now!

Which one will you focus on?

I was going to type more on maintenance needs but realized I'd already typed it on another thread, so here's the link: https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...l#post14314786

If you haven't already read that thread, give it a look. Could be useful to you.

BTW - SAI can be resolved with an ECU flash rather than a cleaning. Not sure if that will work in California, maybe it trips emissions problems? But in many states that's all you'll need to do - just get the ECU to ignore the fault same as the 95 OBD1 cars do.

Thanks for the link.

Just got confirmation. Seller of #1 accepted my offer based on your pricing feedback! PPI scheduled tomorrow at RMG. They do some sort of "voltage" test of the SAI system, as well as cut open oil filter and inspect. Compression check is extra. This car just had a oil change and the top end done 20K miles ago. What do you think I should do?

Congratulations, can't wait to see pics!

Compression test is not necessarily a great indicator of engine health but it probably can't hurt to see what the numbers are. Be sure to read up on it so you know how to interpret the results.

What's current oil usage? That's the best indicator of top end health without tearing it apart.

Zenith Blue is a great color, but if I remember correctly, you would want a compression check on all cylinders.
But I'm no mechanic and haven't had a 993 since 2011 (sadly).
I still lurk here though.

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...aintained.html

'95 RS CS Tribute
Polar Silver / Grey
98.5k miles / $60,400
Sold by a RLer (Ravi) very recently but back up for sale, apparently there was a lot of interest

Yes, compression check on all cylinders. Leak down test on any cylinders that are outside of average range to determine if it's rings/valves that need to be replaced.

Update- Bob and and his techs @RMG did a great job interrogating the 97 Zenith Blue in Silicon Valley. Spent the afternoon with Bob and his tech through the process and was a great learning experience/class as they showed me how to do some basic DIY maintenance.

Very comprehensive PPI. Strong results from compression, drive test, and SAI check. Found a few issues from the mechanical and visual inspection that the current mechanic who is selling the car did not find. We negotiated and mechanic/seller agrees to cover the repairs/parts to address the issues.

I pick up the car in a few days :D

Nicely done. Sounds like they did an exceptional job with the PPI.

Congrats, Zenith Blue is a great color. Good deal and PPI. I spoke to RMG once and they sound super thorough. Be sure to post some pictures when you get it!

If your front seats are bad and you want to replace rather than refurb check out the replica hardback sport seats made by Waldemar in Germany. Some Zenith Blue painted hardbacks with grey hides would look sweet and freshen up the interior - see RLer FoxMan's former Zenith Blue and cashmere seats on page 7 here:

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...made-5-5k.html

Congrats on leveraging a thorough PPI to get favorable pricing AND getting a chance to look under the skirt of a 993 through the eyes of experienced wrenchers.

Enjoy the car in good health.

Yea. My leather guys says the driver seat is shot beyond repair. Those hardback seats look beautiful.

Another tribute
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...264012492.html

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Hi all, I've been looking for a clean 993 and this caught my eye.. curious on your feedback.

1997 C4S, 36k mi, black/black, 1 owner.

http://showroom.auction123.com/mobil...AA2998VS320158

I tried searching for any previous posting on rl regarding this listing but didn't see any.

Similarly, any feedback with that seller would be appreciated too.

Looks like a nice car but you should go online and google the seller. I did that once and found his reputation to be less than stellar.

I, too, have been looking for a nice 993, and had not yet seen that one. (I am not keen on black, so probably not for me.) TG doesn't do a great job of presenting the cars that are actually available. Lots of cars on their site, but who knows which are available or already sold or whatever.

TG is not far from me and I have done a few transactions with AY there and all have been successful and without incident. That said, I have heard directly from one other source that he wouldn't buy anything there. YMMV.

In general, know what you're looking at and know what you're getting and it'll likely turn out fine. If you need some PPI places in the area, let me know.

Good luck and let me know if I can be helpful.

If you are looking for a nice 993, here is a fine example....

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...e-993-c4s.html

I just did as suggested, a Google search of Top Gear Porsche NJ.

Upon seeing the first negative report on a site, called something like Ripoffreport.com (a site/forum to vent about negative experiences), I read the first (and perhaps only) report and was not terribly impressed with the complainant’s story. And then I read his follow-up report, where he basically believes Top Gear NJ walks on water and said further he wanted to retract his first complaint but the site wouldn’t permit it.

http://m.ripoffreport.com/reports/to...t-purc-1130842

Be sure to read all the way to the bottom, where he provides his view of Top Gear’s redemption.

Remember, as with everything, just because it’s written on the Internet doesn’t make it true (unless, of course, it was written by DJT, in which case it’s always true, regardless of how untrue it might be; please forgive me for this—I couldn’t resist).

Not trying to provide a complete picture, but am trying to “get to the bottom” of TGPNJ’s reputation.

If you believe I am totally off, please share.

Thanks for the feedback dannycf and HelpMeHelpU! Reviews online for the seller is quite mixed, I definitely want to go see the car and their display in person as their inventory seems impressive from their online listings. It looks like they're appointment only, so I'll probably try to schedule something, it's a couple hours away, hopefully they can accommodate weekends.

Appreciate the offer to help, HelpMeHelpU, I will likely hit you up for reliable PPI locations nearby if we get to that point!

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That's a sweet ride! I am partial to the wide body in black, too. I do prefer the non aero kit and awd, but will bookmark yours as well. Thanks!

http://www.bmwofhoustonnorth.com/use...3b4de2cceb.htm

thoughts? anyone have history on this one?

Thats a good looking car at a good price. Really, it depends on service history. 5 owners, been all around the country.

I put hold on it and am going to take a look tomorrow or sat... just don't want the hurricane washing her away.

its frustrating buying from dealer as they have no maintenance history, be nice to find previous owner..

Good looking car but this does not say that it is a good car. The dealer is on my way to work and I may have a chance to have a quick look. The weather may make this difficult. Anyway, PPI is a must for a 50k purchase.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...19.m1438.l2649

Thoughts on this car and a fair price? Thanks for your help.

$35-40. Not a penny over that.
Cab. Tip. Ding on the Carfax. End of driving season.

any recommendations on ppi or second opinion in Houston area?

I spoke with Jordan at modern aircooled and he may be able to take a look.

Well looks like my C2 has officially been totalled. Now looking for a higher mileage C4s or C2s. Budget low 70s, <70 if possible. How possible is this?

Hi Bence. I know someone who is on the fence about selling his beautiful C4S manual that may fall in your price range. PM me if interested.

What color is it? I'm still waiting on the insurance offer (which i am sure will be low), but will contact you when i find out

Black

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-11/

95 - 46k mile coupe just sold for $56k plus fees on BAT. Seemed like a honest car.

This might be worth checking out - I'm not affiliated in any way - https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...262964045.html

1998 C2 Black/Black Cab with sports seats, late build, one owner, no accidents.

I have no affiliation to this sale, other than I am posting this on behalf of my cousin, who lives in Europe.

Despite showing three owners, this is a one owner car. My cousin leased the car and then bought out the lease. After moving to Europe, he transferred the title to his brother to maintain insurance. The car has been meticulously maintained and stored. I'm posting this on his behalf.

5/14/98 leased new
8/28/05 bought out lease
8/06/15 titled in brother's name

I can vouch for this to be true and the paperwork supports this. Worthwhile checking out if you are looking for a clean, late build '98 C2 in the Toronto area.

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Porsche/9...PO&orup=1_15_1


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...cc2bdcc3d0.png

Will be difficult right now. I had good experience with EurocarWerk. They are about 30 miles from the selling dealership but may have bigger issues at this point. I do not know a place in North Houston that would be closer.

97 C4S, Black/Black, 42k miles, Factory Optioned Aero
 

Unfortunately that link is returning an error message: "The requested page was not found."

This link seems to be working

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...e-993-c4s.html

That "bargain" turbo S is sold.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...49ff786464.jpg

No idea how to link to a FB post BUT there's a guy on the 993lister section selling a lovely 95 C4 for $45k. It is the deal of deals as far as I can tell. He's spent $30k on the car in the past few years. Wish I had a space for another 993.

FYI

I went ahead and purchased the car

PPI at Koby Motors - Jose (I believe) was very thorough and walked me through the entire car - I'd recommend them

Solid car with strong motor

you can tell previous owners just drove the car and sold it to the next guy, no updates, time for a revamp.

I am going to do suspension/filters/fluids and just tinker with small things like finicky headlight switch etc..

overall I am happy and enjoying the car!

993 C2 Cab
 

Hi Samurai_k
I'm about to close the deal with a dealer in east coast for a 95' 993 C2 Cab 6-spd for $40K until I saw your recent purchase for a Coupe at about the same price. I thought you had a really great deal with the Coupe. How many miles does it have on the vehicle ? The one I'm looking at has 59K miles on it but is a Cab.

Hi Joseph, mine is a well maintained "driver" and has about 109K miles on it. The owner and seller (mechanic who was representing the owner) were both motivated to get a sale done quickly. I was considering two other C2 coupes both with about 88K miles sell about the same time in early August. Both sold, one for $49K and the other $53K. From what I remember the $49K one needed a chain box and valve cover reseal. The $53K one needed a new clutch.

Thank you for the info. I just bought the car yesterday and it's on its way from NJ next week. I hope it arrives in one piece. :) Here's the pic. I bought it without a full PPI and the dealer has just changed out new plugs and fixed the valve cover gasket leak..

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...b38cba1d33.jpg

I know the dealer who sold you the black cab.
I bought a 997 C4S from him which he sold for me a couple of years later when I got back into 993's
I still keep in contact with him. He's a class act.

I work with Steven and I believe he lives in NY and travels back and forth. Seems to be a trustworthy gentleman. I hope he will build his reputation with me on this one.

I don't want to break any rules, but can anyone give me some info (location, mostly) on a PCA Mart car? No membership, but not sure if it's worth purchasing just to find out the car is across the US from me...

You could always do this: https://www.pca.org/pca-test-drive

I know, I just hate the fact they won't roll the test drive membership into a real one if you were to buy a car the very next day. I figured I would just ask here first, at least if I could figure out where it's located to see if it even makes sense at the moment.

buy this car and then spend another $XXXXXX$ duplicating what Ilko did to his former C4
:thumbsup:

Robb has some nice cars. He is trying to keep 100 on hand at any time. An ambitious goal.

Thoughts on this 993 and ballpark price?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Porsche...-/172906011328

Curious myself. I'll have my 97 C2S tip with similar mileage but a lot more maintenance and OEM mods for sale soon also.

Yes it's a tipsky. Fool me almost every time.

MFD BY FORD???
 

Did you happen to see this photo in the listing?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...db8b49a02b.jpg

I didn't know Ford manufactured 993s
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...8453/overview/

'96 C4S
Arena Red / Gray with Factory Aerokit
93k miles, $67k
Looks pretty stock other than suspension and the 996 Turbo Twist wheels
Very strange placement of Carrera 4S script, maybe even the wrong script?

I listed my own newly acquired 993 for sale after following the thread for a long time....

https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-cashmere.html

Jesus wept!! That's terrible news! Great car. Beautiful to drive. Silky smooth. If I had two spaces I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.

What do you guys suppose this car is worth? It's a consignment car (so two people are trying to make money) and it's been on Craigslist/eBay/etc for almost a month now. Carfax shows 10 owners(!), no accidents, consignment company claims owner has all records. Has the new Porsche Classic Nav head unit.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...314169433.html

Placement of the Script is incorrect and also appears to be an "After Market Turbo S Spoiler." Sits too high up. Should be stamped Porsche and the 993.xxx.xxx on the underside. Porsche from the factory never put the script in that location.

DOHC
 

This car is quite rare, having the optional :) double overhead cam engine, 24 valves no less. I feel like a loser as my 97 Carrera only has one cam per bank. :( See https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...314169433.html

Thanks for your renfax again, Gavin.

Rare bird indeed.

24 valves, I guess "they" solved the intake and exhaust puzzle for more HP/Torque? :corn:

Overhead cam, only overhead, one at a time, when car rolls onto each side... so roll over damage? :icon107:

100K mile 1995 NB 993 sold for $45k plus 5% Buyer's vig on BaT.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-12/


Seems like all the money to me, given the miles, condition and time of year.

From the comments it looks like this one is going home to Germany.

Just purchased polar silver 160k miles for 27k, nice condition. No motor work yet but compression good. I think it was a good deal.

Someone should start a google doc to aggregate data, going through the thread is tedious.

Someone?

Sounds like a great deal. What part of the country, and was it priced that low or did you haggle it? Nothing in LA comes close to that by at least 15k

:corn:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0778/overview/

'98 C2S
Silver / Black
69k miles, $64k
Supposedly a manual

At a Lexus dealer in CA, SF area. No pictures and not much info but might be a deal.

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/324815

'96 Carrera
Arena / Cashmere with Black
Looks original, has LSD option
40k miles, $60k

I bought this car. https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...rrera-2-a.html
$65500 More than I planned to spend but hopefully fair deal on both sides. Seller was great to work with and the car is as described, or better.

Looks like a great car, congrats!

I think it was a fair deal for both of you. Also, not surprised that the seller was easy to work with from his great ad. Glad you bought it as I didn't want to explain how another 911 showed up in my garage.

That's a keeper. Congrats.

That's a fair price for the car as described. Low miles, original paint, well cared for, no issues :thumbup:

Hit twice
 

The carfax shows this had been hit twice. Also looks molested inside. I think hennessy.porschedealer.com is on crack.

https://hennessyporsche.com/inventory/used/Porsche+Carrera+2+Cabriolet+Roswell+Georgia+1997+Glacier+White+1436159

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-13/

The corrosion and lack of service docs since 2006 held this car back.

Held it back from what, selling for $1-2K more?

Easily $5k if the car had records and a recent PPI with compression numbers and paint meter posted. That car had low miles and looked semi clean but had some minor red flags. Winning bid was spot on.

In Northern VA.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...357851765.html

https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/cto...364934311.html

'96 C4S
Arena Red / Cashmere + Black
127k miles / $65k obo
Palm Beach, FL

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/325008

'97 Carrera
Green Metallic (Forest?) / Tan
Manual, recent rebuild
135k miles, $46k

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/325163

'95 Carrera
Guards Red / Tan + Black
Manual
51k miles, $43.5k
Located in MA

Thats fantastic deal. Anyone looking for a 95 NB better jump on this one. If PPI checks out of course

+1 good advice