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Old 09-17-2016, 10:10 PM
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I think color makes a huge difference. That's my finding. I just purchased a 98 C2S after a lot of shopping, some offers discussed and accepted for other cars, etc. I have data points on what dealers would have taken, and what private parties would have taken. The aerokit is also a love/hate thing. If that car was a non-aerokit with black interior, for instance, I think it would be worth more in the market. The blue interior has to appeal to the right customer, and I think a more limited audience. As an example, if this car had black interior I would have bought it in a heartbeat for full asking price.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...01474017&Log=0

All things considered, assuming perfect condition, no paint, etc., for the right buyer, I say $90-110k.
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Old 09-17-2016, 11:11 PM
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In my novice research of 993's I noticed that lower miles increases prices dramatically. Next is color combo's. I found this '97 C2 50k mi serviced / maintained at quite reputable shops - spoke to the gentlemen who actually worked on the car and vouched in favor of it. White on tan. Had PPI done regardless of what they said and in fact each thing they said was true. Comparable cars with slightly less or more miles were going for around the same money but this one had new turbo brakes BBS LM's PSS10's Quaife LSD Fister exhaust mod. Point is, to me these were value adding mods that I would have done anyways since I just cannot drive a completely stock car. So I paid a fair price for the car in that color - the mods were there but I didn't add them to figure what I thought was fair. The low miles fetching big dollars can get pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Friend or not, watch out.
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Old 09-17-2016, 11:23 PM
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i think rudy may be low - i would say 95-105 is fair price if car is clean w clean history no issues
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:01 AM
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Definitely touching 6 figure territory (assuming manual and not a tip). If a close friend then 90s would be fair to both IMO. Dealer would list that over 100K any day of the week.
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan View Post
I think color makes a huge difference.
Back in the "day" when 993's were aplenty, color played a larger role in differentiating price. There were basically 3 categories of colors; "negative," "neutral, and "premium." Not to insult anyone however this was the general breakdown:
Negative: Aventurine, Turquoise, Red, Arena Red
Neutral: White, Black, Yellow, Silvers, Ocean Metallic Blue, Zenith/Horizon Blue
Premium: Riviera/Mexico Blue, Slate Grey, select PTS colors
(I'm sure I am forgetting other colors)
For interiors, black is generally considered the best/safest color.
However the market has changed and as these cars age, miles, condition, documentation and options play a larger role vs. color alone. Again not to say color doesn't matter, it just matters less.
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Originally Posted by u7t2p7 View Post
Back in the "day" when 993's were aplenty, color played a larger role in differentiating price. There were basically 3 categories of colors; "negative," "neutral, and "premium." Not to insult anyone however this was the general breakdown:
Negative: Aventurine, Turquoise, Red, Arena Red
Neutral: White, Black, Yellow, Silvers, Ocean Metallic Blue, Zenith/Horizon Blue
Premium: Riviera/Mexico Blue, Slate Grey, select PTS colors

(I'm sure I am forgetting other colors)
For interiors, black is generally considered the best/safest color.
However the market has changed and as these cars age, miles, condition, documentation and options play a larger role vs. color alone. Again not to say color doesn't matter, it just matters less.
not offended in the least but just curious classification

would our resident expert rudy agree???

for example... i always felt that guards red and arena red were favorites... but i guess that is just me...
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Originally Posted by Opo View Post
If the car checks out and with today's prices I will say $85k
Agreed. I've been chasing a c2s, and this seems to be the benchmark I would use for the color and mileage. I have purchased 2 993tt's in the last month and I'd say the market is "adjusting".
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:16 AM
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Default 993 C2S

Simply as a reference point on current dealer prices, see link below. Appears to be a nice car.

http://www.diamondmotorworks.com/det...-15260706.html
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Originally Posted by T Huestis View Post
Simply as a reference point on current dealer prices, see link below. Appears to be a nice car.

http://www.diamondmotorworks.com/det...-15260706.html
This should be a good gauge if it's a manual. $80-85K if it's a tiptronic.
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Old 09-18-2016, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by u7t2p7 View Post
Back in the "day" when 993's were aplenty, color played a larger role in differentiating price. There were basically 3 categories of colors; "negative," "neutral, and "premium." Not to insult anyone however this was the general breakdown:
Negative: Aventurine, Turquoise, Red, Arena Red
Neutral: White, Black, Yellow, Silvers, Ocean Metallic Blue, Zenith/Horizon Blue
Premium: Riviera/Mexico Blue, Slate Grey, select PTS colors
(I'm sure I am forgetting other colors)
For interiors, black is generally considered the best/safest color.
However the market has changed and as these cars age, miles, condition, documentation and options play a larger role vs. color alone. Again not to say color doesn't matter, it just matters less.
All these are opinions of course, but in mine, mileage and color are 90% of what drives a C2S asking and selling price. I bought in the last 60 days, after talking to dozens of different sellers, private and dealer. Here is an example of one of my "runner up" cars. Really nice and knowledgeable dealer. No affiliation. Absolutely beautiful original example car. There is a typo on the inventory, it is a silver/black car. In my opinion only, I think it would sell at $125k. Might seem high, but in my research, its dead on accurate pricing for a 98 1-owner car with this mileage in silver/black. Same car in ocean blue/tan? A lot less. If you like ocean blue/tan, its great for you, and no offense (that color is beautiful). But color is a major factor. That same ocean blue car with black interior (rare)? As much as this listed car or maybe more.

http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-1998...-15374036.html

Low mileage 2S cars in desirable colors that are TRULY no story cars with great history/condition are not lying around as much as they used to be. I paid pretty much double what I paid for a 2S back in 2003.

Back to OP, I still say expect a sales price in the 90-110 range, maybe 109k asking.
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Old 09-18-2016, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Opo View Post
If the car checks out and with today's prices I will say $85k
Agreed, lots of high asking prices, not a lot of sales at those prices.
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:22 PM
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Default Actual C2S sale...

Just FYI, I purchased my C2S from a fellow Rennlister back in Feb of 2016 for $75K USDs. Thus I may be one of the most recent C2S purchases. Looking back I believe it was a fair price, even through the market did soften a bit right after but seems to be heading on up again. Hagerty.com has a valuation tool one can look at. As for it's accuracy I can't say.

Details:
- $75,000 USDs
- a 3rd owner car
- Ocean Blue Metallic over Classic Grey (standard seats)
- 58,000 miles
- super clean CARFAX
- extremely well documented (unbelievable), original dealer fob from Bend, OR, all documents from window sticker on...
- minimally optioned, un-molested, right down to the original radio code, valet key,
- M33 ROW suspension
- Motorsound
- 60K mile service completed
- a Post Purchase Inspection showed it to be in EXTREMELY sound condition. As time goes on it will need a few things but that is to be expected
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan View Post
All these are opinions of course, but in mine, mileage and color are 90% of what drives a C2S asking and selling price.
Of course this is another opinion, but if we are looking at top-2 factors, I would say condition trumps color (as in real estate Location - Location - Location , in the car buying world i feel it is Condition - Condition - Condition).

I have seen low miler cars (20-30K) that have been truly neglected (put away wet, or simply put away forever uncaringly) and need a heckuva lot of work than higher miler cars that have been pampered. 'Provenance' and documentation records are a key factor as well IMO.

At the end of the day, it only takes one buyer to pay the asking price. There are plenty of folks that would pay a premium for factors such as 'celebrity' owned cars, very late production (e.g. 98) cars (so literally and figuratively last of the aircooleds) etc. Whatever rocks one boat I suppose
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:18 AM
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And???? How did the Purchase? come out?
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Old 09-24-2016, 06:05 PM
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Wow... The current C2S bought/sold market is out of control... I recall in April/May of 1997 the 993 had trunk money to USA dealerships as a rebate; 2% off total MSRP including options etc. There were plenty 911 owners whom ordered 993's on a short deal. .. Pricing at dealer cost - the dealer pockets the 2% trunk money rebate for taking an order.
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