Dryfly57

I've been very happy with my Kook V12's. If I get caught in the rain which if not often, I just slow down a bit.

nile13

Surely. 993 is the cutting edge of steering excellence. You can certainly steer it precisely with a steering wheel, instead if your right foot due to fairly ancient and a veeeery long steering rack.

Try a 997 sometimes for comparison on steering feel and precision if Miata comparison is not to your liking, I will continue to drive the street Miata and the race Miata that I own, as well as a 993 for the antique feel that I happen to like. Just don't tell me that 993 has precise steering.

PS. I'm not sure if you've ever driven around cones at a parking lot. We had a course a little over a mile long today. And I do drive 993 through it one in a while, so comparison is pretty easy to make. Today for example, the to and from the autocross was in my 993, so comparison was pretty immediate. But that's not really important.

nile13

In my opinion, DWs are decent, but I'm not just a fan. Just feel that there are better tires for the money. my comment was in big part on places like TireRack that are full of "I like this tire, just got it). Honestly, I liked Kumho MX when I got them. They turned into sheer terror about 2K miles later, unfortunately.

JM993

My 993 has precise and very communicative steering. Then again, my car is a coupe. Perhaps part of your problem is that your car is a cab. The extra flex in the cab structure surely detracts from steering feel. Or maybe your car needs a refresh.

I've spent a lot of time in a 997 GT3. It turns in much faster than the 993. A fantastic steering car, but it lacks some of the feedback that the 993 delivers. That feedback is imho what makes the car special and unique. I wish my F355 had steering as good as my 993.

Mark in Baltimore

I have had both a Miata and a 993, and I agree with nile13 that the Miata's steering feels better. It's lighter and more communicative versus the 993's heavier steering. I often jumped back and forth into both cars, and, at least to me, the difference is noticeable. That doesn't mean the 993's steering feel is bad, but, rather, that Mazda did a better job. YMMV.

Drisump

IMHO the differences are mostly how light the car is and how much rubber is in contact with the ground. I've had the opportunity to throw around a later model Miyata and it definitely has more of a light and tossible feel than the 993's I have driven. Even my stock, earlier 911 without PS (at speed), FEELS significantly lighter than my 993 (190's vs 225's). Cheers

nile13

My thought on the 993 steering, to be more exact is this. It's a good steering system. It is designed for high speed and is weighed properly for those speeds. I have, stupidly enough, had my first car up to an indicated 165 mph and at that speed the car felt controlled, steering had very good feel on-center and any minor movement had what seems proper effect. At city speeds, however, the steering feels overly heavy, very long and, I can't quite explain it, but old fashioned SO that's my comment about tractor-like. It's not bad, it's just I know that I do more control with the right foot than with the steering wheel.

My 993 currently has Bilstein H8s with M030, Walrod bushing, new steering rack, decent street alignment, smaller 996 steering wheel, and I've had it on assorted 17" and 18" wheels and many different tires, so I don't think geometry or components are the issue. This is my second 993 and I've driven quite a few, including some of the competitors, so the feeling is pretty well established in my mind. Interestingly, 993 cab is pretty solid and feel is not very different from coupes on the street. To that end, a 964 is even more on the tractor steering side, with even longer rack and even larger steering wheel. And older 911s are even more so, though they are lighter. I would love to gear fro people who race their 911s for a long time, but my feeling has always been that your right foot does more precise steering than your hands. Part of it is the nature of rear engined car, of course.

We can compare to other cars, but I have many, many years of experience with Miatas and first generation MR2s. BTW, I've never really drive Miata fast, but do believe that it might not feel as nice at triple digit speeds. The other funny thing is, I really can;t drive a non-power steering Miatas. Even though I was brought up on cars with manual racks, including all y MR2s.

fullbooker

Costco policy questions. Years ago I purchased BFG's for my 993 from Costco. When I went to have them installed, they claimed that they would not put them on my car since they were not "approved by Porsche." However, they loaned me a floor jack and some tools and I took the wheels off the car and they would then mount the BFG's on the wheels. I put the new wheel/tire on the car myself and they loaned me their torque wrench.
Anyone have similar experience with Costco?
Also, recently replaced the BFG's with Sumi's and couldn't be happier!
Phil

goofballdeluxe

Agreed.

Just traded up from Sumi HTRZ IIIs to the Conti DW about 1000 miles ago, and it was a good upgrade.

Both were pretty good, but the Conti is noticeably better and quieter too.

For a street car only, you can't really go wrong with either. The Sumi is the bargain leader, the Conti is best overall for street, IMHO

race911

Where this wandered off to, and back, while I was gone.........

This is absolutely where it has ended up, after starting out with 185/70-15's on a '68. Through any number of performance tires over the decades, not to mention bias ply slicks. (Talk about crap steering feel, but it's all about getting that ~6 degree slip angle.) So I just drive the _______ car.

Knocked out nearly 500 miles in the 996 Turbo over the weekend. Gave about zero thought to steering. Besides, when you are on it (which is certainly not on the street), your traction is being managed through pedal operation. If I feel I'm compromised on tire, it's back to the paddock to fiddle with any/all of (gasp) tire pressure, damper adjustment, stabilizer bar/s....and worse case alignment or spring change.

nile13

They gave me a bit of a lip about going from 205 to 215 on a Miata. i told them to keep their opinions to themselves and just do it Twice, firmly, but nicely. That proved to be sufficient.

nile13

I did about 200 miles in traffic yesterday. not much fun. And, yes, nearly zero thought on steering as well.

Edward

We after hemming/hawing between the Contis and Kook V12s I decided and mounted up the Conti "Extreme DW" today! Next week, it's Walrod control arm bushings and alignment ...woohoo!
As always, BIG thanks all!

Edward

golfnutintib

i think u shd be quite happy with them, esp with the rest of the front end refresh items u mention

enjoy

Garry D

I'm looking for a new set for my 87 930 , has anyone tried the Kumho KU31 ?