Heat Shields NB WTB
02-20-2016, 07:13 PM
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02-20-2016, 07:37 PM
#4
Drifting
I don't think anybody can say with certainty if you need them or not. For some reason porsche put a lot of alum covering in the bumper. My wild guess goes towards reducing heat going to the tail lights, which would have an affect over long run.
My mom has mazda cx-7 and the light bulb generated enough heat to discolor and eventually melt part of the lens. That didn't happened overnight, it took 8 years.
02-21-2016, 09:37 AM
#6
Rennlist Member
I'm in the process of refreshing the rear of my 993 and changing the Mufflers to Gert's RSR's. I've decided to ditch the heat shields and use Titanium Heat Wrap, has anyone done this?
P.S. Anyone interested in buying Fabspeed Mufflers and tips?
P.S. Anyone interested in buying Fabspeed Mufflers and tips?
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02-21-2016, 12:36 PM
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03-01-2016, 09:17 AM
#11
Pro
Stage II's w/o heat shields, no issues but I don't drive her much either. No idea how much heat the mufflers develop when driving long and hard. I would probably put them on to be safe.
03-01-2016, 07:14 PM
#12
Hopefully FDM is listening and will quantify their products actual heat shielding properties, as this has been discussed before without a quantifiable response.
Not only is there a multi layered alum heat shielding employed by Porsche in the bumper area, but a multi layered shield (as being sought by the OP) on the muffler as well; so draw your own conclusions.
Me, I'd rather be safe than sorry
I believe the shields to be about $50 ea., from Porsche, so where is the issue? Especially if one can spend double for an intangible of the spray on coating.
Last edited by nine9six; 03-01-2016 at 07:39 PM.
03-01-2016, 09:38 PM
#13
Pro
In my mind, it is either embarrassment or extremely remiss of FDM not to quantify what a customer is purchasing in the terms of their ceramic coating heat shielding; or simply what amounts to a $200 paint job and a sticker on a set of mufflers.
Hopefully FDM is listening and will quantify their products actual heat shielding properties, as this has been discussed before without a quantifiable response.
Not only is there a multi layered alum heat shielding employed by Porsche in the bumper area, but a multi layered shield (as being sought by the OP) on the muffler as well; so draw your own conclusions.
Me, I'd rather be safe than sorry
I believe the shields to be about $50 ea., from Porsche, so where is the issue? Especially if one can spend double for an intangible of the spray on coating.
Hopefully FDM is listening and will quantify their products actual heat shielding properties, as this has been discussed before without a quantifiable response.
Not only is there a multi layered alum heat shielding employed by Porsche in the bumper area, but a multi layered shield (as being sought by the OP) on the muffler as well; so draw your own conclusions.
Me, I'd rather be safe than sorry
I believe the shields to be about $50 ea., from Porsche, so where is the issue? Especially if one can spend double for an intangible of the spray on coating.
No need to be so negative. Plenty of information using Google or any other search engine; Darin is not using something out of this world to ceramic- coat his mufflers. Let's see what other's have to say:
http://www.zircotec.com/index.php
Zircotec's Ceramic Coating
We have developed a range of ultra high performance plasma-sprayed ceramic coatings to protect components from the effects of fire, heat, wear, abrasion and corrosion.
Our ceramic coating is highly effective when used on engine exhaust system components including exhaust manifolds, exhaust headers, cat boxes, turbochargers and tail pipes, helping to protect sensitive components from the effects of heat. As an exhaust coating they reduce underbonnet temperatures, increase engine performance, help solve engine packaging issues, and improve engine compartment safety. Based on our proprietary ThermoHold® formulation, our ceramic coating range can only be applied by Zircotec. A series of patent applications are in progress (with two now granted) to protect our technology. Our coatings have been proven to:
•Reduce underbonnet temperatures by up to 50oC (122oF), as independently measured & confirmed by DAMAX Race Engineering;
•Increase engine performance, eg. a 30oC drop in intake air temperature can deliver a 6% increase in power, or can increase engine efficiency leading to less fuel usage;
•Extend the life of vulnerable components and thereby enhance engine reliability.
Or WIKIPEDIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_barrier_coating
Thermal barrier coatings (TBC) are highly advanced materials systems usually applied to metallic surfaces, such as on gas turbine or aero-engine parts, operating at elevated temperatures, as a form of exhaust heat management. These coatings serve to insulate components from large and prolonged heat loads by utilizing thermally insulating materials which can sustain an appreciable temperature difference between the load-bearing alloys and the coating surface.[1] In doing so, these coatings can allow for higher operating temperatures while limiting the thermal exposure of structural components, extending part life by reducing oxidation and thermal fatigue. In conjunction with active film cooling, TBCs permit working fluid temperatures higher than the melting point of the metal airfoil in some turbine applications.
I'm sure Darin knows what he is talking about, even without any written statement. I still feel comfortable but please do your own due diligence.
Best!
03-01-2016, 10:34 PM
#14
Race Car
I believe the shields to be about $50 ea., from Porsche, so where is the issue? Especially if one can spend double for an intangible of the spray on coating.
03-02-2016, 06:51 PM
#15
No need to be so negative. Plenty of information using Google or any other search engine; Darin is not using something out of this world to ceramic- coat his mufflers. Let's see what other's have to say:
http://www.zircotec.com/index.php
Zircotec's Ceramic Coating
We have developed a range of ultra high performance plasma-sprayed ceramic coatings to protect components from the effects of fire, heat, wear, abrasion and corrosion.
Our ceramic coating is highly effective when used on engine exhaust system components including exhaust manifolds, exhaust headers, cat boxes, turbochargers and tail pipes, helping to protect sensitive components from the effects of heat. As an exhaust coating they reduce underbonnet temperatures, increase engine performance, help solve engine packaging issues, and improve engine compartment safety. Based on our proprietary ThermoHold® formulation, our ceramic coating range can only be applied by Zircotec. A series of patent applications are in progress (with two now granted) to protect our technology. Our coatings have been proven to:
•Reduce underbonnet temperatures by up to 50oC (122oF), as independently measured & confirmed by DAMAX Race Engineering;
•Increase engine performance, eg. a 30oC drop in intake air temperature can deliver a 6% increase in power, or can increase engine efficiency leading to less fuel usage;
•Extend the life of vulnerable components and thereby enhance engine reliability.
Or WIKIPEDIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_barrier_coating
Thermal barrier coatings (TBC) are highly advanced materials systems usually applied to metallic surfaces, such as on gas turbine or aero-engine parts, operating at elevated temperatures, as a form of exhaust heat management. These coatings serve to insulate components from large and prolonged heat loads by utilizing thermally insulating materials which can sustain an appreciable temperature difference between the load-bearing alloys and the coating surface.[1] In doing so, these coatings can allow for higher operating temperatures while limiting the thermal exposure of structural components, extending part life by reducing oxidation and thermal fatigue. In conjunction with active film cooling, TBCs permit working fluid temperatures higher than the melting point of the metal airfoil in some turbine applications.
I'm sure Darin knows what he is talking about, even without any written statement. I still feel comfortable but please do your own due diligence.
Best!
http://www.zircotec.com/index.php
Zircotec's Ceramic Coating
We have developed a range of ultra high performance plasma-sprayed ceramic coatings to protect components from the effects of fire, heat, wear, abrasion and corrosion.
Our ceramic coating is highly effective when used on engine exhaust system components including exhaust manifolds, exhaust headers, cat boxes, turbochargers and tail pipes, helping to protect sensitive components from the effects of heat. As an exhaust coating they reduce underbonnet temperatures, increase engine performance, help solve engine packaging issues, and improve engine compartment safety. Based on our proprietary ThermoHold® formulation, our ceramic coating range can only be applied by Zircotec. A series of patent applications are in progress (with two now granted) to protect our technology. Our coatings have been proven to:
•Reduce underbonnet temperatures by up to 50oC (122oF), as independently measured & confirmed by DAMAX Race Engineering;
•Increase engine performance, eg. a 30oC drop in intake air temperature can deliver a 6% increase in power, or can increase engine efficiency leading to less fuel usage;
•Extend the life of vulnerable components and thereby enhance engine reliability.
Or WIKIPEDIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_barrier_coating
Thermal barrier coatings (TBC) are highly advanced materials systems usually applied to metallic surfaces, such as on gas turbine or aero-engine parts, operating at elevated temperatures, as a form of exhaust heat management. These coatings serve to insulate components from large and prolonged heat loads by utilizing thermally insulating materials which can sustain an appreciable temperature difference between the load-bearing alloys and the coating surface.[1] In doing so, these coatings can allow for higher operating temperatures while limiting the thermal exposure of structural components, extending part life by reducing oxidation and thermal fatigue. In conjunction with active film cooling, TBCs permit working fluid temperatures higher than the melting point of the metal airfoil in some turbine applications.
I'm sure Darin knows what he is talking about, even without any written statement. I still feel comfortable but please do your own due diligence.
Best!
Furthermore, not all ceramic coatings are created equally, and effectiveness is largely dependent upon the proper prep and following the mfg proceedure for application and curing.
...but thank you for your post...Again, I was looking for FDM to quantify the product they sell.
Is this the ceramic coating product FDM uses, or are you quoting one product's sales literature?
Zircotec's Ceramic Coating