Stolen 993 c2s Los Angeles
05-18-2014, 12:45 PM
#31
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Damn....
I hope you had LoJack...LAPD and LACS do a pretty good job recovering stolen vehicles.
I have actually had dreams of somebody stealing my 993...fortunately they have not come true. I have a removable steering wheel, All I have to do now is remember to take the wheel in the house...put it into the safe. That may discourage an impatient thief, and the car resides inside a trailer...and we have 8 ft. deer fencing around our property and an electric gate...this would only mildly discourage a determined thief. If caught in in the act, I also have a .40 and a 15 gauge pump with the plug removed.
I have actually had dreams of somebody stealing my 993...fortunately they have not come true. I have a removable steering wheel, All I have to do now is remember to take the wheel in the house...put it into the safe. That may discourage an impatient thief, and the car resides inside a trailer...and we have 8 ft. deer fencing around our property and an electric gate...this would only mildly discourage a determined thief. If caught in in the act, I also have a .40 and a 15 gauge pump with the plug removed.
05-18-2014, 12:57 PM
#32
One wonders if that is just coincidence or they are seemingly more plentiful in SoCal
Is servicing local market demand for parts through shady marque specialists an avenue for thieves or are these beauties destined for an export market intact
I can't imagine that a vehicle like that can roam that area undetected for long or any other area in the US for that matter
Will keep a lookout here in Orlando for all it's worth
Is servicing local market demand for parts through shady marque specialists an avenue for thieves or are these beauties destined for an export market intact
I can't imagine that a vehicle like that can roam that area undetected for long or any other area in the US for that matter
Will keep a lookout here in Orlando for all it's worth
There was a guy in Phoenix stealing 911s and parting them out (they caught him last year) so the cars as parts have a lot of value as well.
05-18-2014, 06:34 PM
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At some point, you really don't want the car back anymore (damage).
Sorry for you. I hope your insurance provider treats you well.
Sorry for you. I hope your insurance provider treats you well.
05-18-2014, 07:43 PM
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Is it possible to record the signal transmitted by the key fob and, later, resend to disable the immobilizer. I seem to recall this was done on garage door openers years ago…….. Just wondering……...
05-18-2014, 07:46 PM
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Cannot imagine this happening....major bummer! Could it be parted out in Mexico? Can't believe there are that many 993's running around south of the border. I will keep my eyes peeled in AZ. The ******** must have some plan for disposal....getting by the DMV and keeping the car I would assume is difficult.
05-18-2014, 09:19 PM
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the value of the 993 has risen a lot since my car was stolen a couple of years ago out of my driveway (no rev sounds, probably a tow truck job). Make sure you get a good valuation from the insurance company.
05-19-2014, 08:44 AM
#39
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Terrible.
Unfortunately one of the possible outcomes when a highly desirable car becomes even more desirable. There are buyers in Europe that will pay big $$$ for a nice 993 without regard of how they get it.
Unfortunately one of the possible outcomes when a highly desirable car becomes even more desirable. There are buyers in Europe that will pay big $$$ for a nice 993 without regard of how they get it.
05-19-2014, 01:51 PM
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Wow, I would think a car thief would either bring their own Bosch computer or they found you car keys and went from there. I didn't know a 993 was a particularly desirable car to steal unless there was a customer order for one in hand.
05-19-2014, 02:07 PM
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But apparently they do not even have to bother with this anymore...
A group of Swiss researchers from ETH Zurich recently demonstrated an attack -- dubbed the Autoknacker in Swiss German -- against 10 recent car models from eight different manufacturers, all of which use passive keyless entry and start (PKES). Under this system, a key fob only needs to be physically near the car to deactivate the immobilizer, open the doors, and start the engine.
Here's where attackers come in: By using a pair of wireless antennas, they can rebroadcast the key fob's signal in nanoseconds to fool the car into thinking the driver is present. Furthermore, the antenna picking up the key fob's signal needs to be within only 8 meters (26 feet) of it, making the attack difficult to detect.
The Swiss researchers tested two attack scenarios. First, when a driver is in the supermarket, key fob in his pocket. Second, when the key is left inside a house -- but within range of the antenna -- and the car is parked outside. Using the two-antenna approach, all 10 cars were successfully hacked and driven away.
The total cost for the wireless attack, not including graduate students, ranged from $100 to $1,000, depending on the quality of the hardware used. Interestingly, the cryptography used to secure the fob-to-car communications didn't matter. The researchers were able to remotely fool all 10 cars simply by rebroadcasting the signal.
Hack My Ride
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05-19-2014, 04:53 PM
#42
The 40-bit encryption keys used to transmit data between the key fob and the car is based on computer technology from early 90's. It was very difficult to crack algorithms when the fastest PC's ran 16 MHz CPUs (it would take weeks of number crunching to find the codes). Today it just takes minutes, especially that the secret Thales algorithms were published by number of "unauthorized websites" in 2009.
But apparently they do not even have to bother with this anymore...
A group of Swiss researchers from ETH Zurich recently demonstrated an attack -- dubbed the Autoknacker in Swiss German -- against 10 recent car models from eight different manufacturers, all of which use passive keyless entry and start (PKES). Under this system, a key fob only needs to be physically near the car to deactivate the immobilizer, open the doors, and start the engine.
Here's where attackers come in: By using a pair of wireless antennas, they can rebroadcast the key fob's signal in nanoseconds to fool the car into thinking the driver is present. Furthermore, the antenna picking up the key fob's signal needs to be within only 8 meters (26 feet) of it, making the attack difficult to detect.
The Swiss researchers tested two attack scenarios. First, when a driver is in the supermarket, key fob in his pocket. Second, when the key is left inside a house -- but within range of the antenna -- and the car is parked outside. Using the two-antenna approach, all 10 cars were successfully hacked and driven away.
The total cost for the wireless attack, not including graduate students, ranged from $100 to $1,000, depending on the quality of the hardware used. Interestingly, the cryptography used to secure the fob-to-car communications didn't matter. The researchers were able to remotely fool all 10 cars simply by rebroadcasting the signal.
Hack My Ride
But apparently they do not even have to bother with this anymore...
A group of Swiss researchers from ETH Zurich recently demonstrated an attack -- dubbed the Autoknacker in Swiss German -- against 10 recent car models from eight different manufacturers, all of which use passive keyless entry and start (PKES). Under this system, a key fob only needs to be physically near the car to deactivate the immobilizer, open the doors, and start the engine.
Here's where attackers come in: By using a pair of wireless antennas, they can rebroadcast the key fob's signal in nanoseconds to fool the car into thinking the driver is present. Furthermore, the antenna picking up the key fob's signal needs to be within only 8 meters (26 feet) of it, making the attack difficult to detect.
The Swiss researchers tested two attack scenarios. First, when a driver is in the supermarket, key fob in his pocket. Second, when the key is left inside a house -- but within range of the antenna -- and the car is parked outside. Using the two-antenna approach, all 10 cars were successfully hacked and driven away.
The total cost for the wireless attack, not including graduate students, ranged from $100 to $1,000, depending on the quality of the hardware used. Interestingly, the cryptography used to secure the fob-to-car communications didn't matter. The researchers were able to remotely fool all 10 cars simply by rebroadcasting the signal.
Hack My Ride
05-19-2014, 06:10 PM
#43
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I seriously doubt anyone was able to disable the immobilizer... They had to have a key.. either fooled a dealer to create one for them or stolen from the current or previous owner.
The exploits against the continuously streaming “proximity keys” does not really apply to the old fashioned click to broadcast key in our old beaters.
To get to the immobilizer to hack it would mean removing the seats. Too conspicuous.
To mimic the key fob would mean staking out the owner, capturing the broadcast stream, hacking the stream, building a transmitter. And then you still have to tackle the physical key.. Much easier to just break into your house and steal your key off the counter.
Security is only as secure as the weakest link in the chain… Anything that is more difficult than breaking into your house or robbing you face to face is worthless.
The exploits against the continuously streaming “proximity keys” does not really apply to the old fashioned click to broadcast key in our old beaters.
To get to the immobilizer to hack it would mean removing the seats. Too conspicuous.
To mimic the key fob would mean staking out the owner, capturing the broadcast stream, hacking the stream, building a transmitter. And then you still have to tackle the physical key.. Much easier to just break into your house and steal your key off the counter.
Security is only as secure as the weakest link in the chain… Anything that is more difficult than breaking into your house or robbing you face to face is worthless.
05-19-2014, 07:05 PM
#44
Three Wheelin'
As much as I hate to say this.... Has your car been to Beverly Hills Porsche lately? I live in the area and there have been to many 993s stolen from the West LA and Beach Cities area.
