The new 911 will mirror the 993
12-21-2013, 10:23 AM
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Hey Six Gun . . . there you go, injecting "reality" into this thread!
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Have a Merry folks! Its snow time in the Rockies at 9,000' elevation.
The Vail gondola opens in 45 min's and we're on it. Ciao, auf Wiedersehen, Adios . . .
12-21-2013, 10:30 AM
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They'll "massage" the dosing a bit like the. 997.2 but that's it.
Am entire new chassis will be needed to downsize the car.
They'll "massage" the dosing a bit like the. 997.2 but that's it.
Am entire new chassis will be needed to downsize the car.
12-21-2013, 10:43 AM
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No doubt that the new Cayman is the closest thing Porsche makes today to a 993. It's a fantastic car. Just fantastic.
But, in spite of its excellence, Porsche could build a much better car by focusing on weight reduction. That car should be 300 lbs lighter. Porsche spends a lot of their focus putting in expensive (and heavy) high tech options. I'd strongly prefer them to focus on lightweight materials and simplicity. Even if that means building it smaller.
How good would a Cayman S be if it was 2700 lbs and had a retro/mechanical steering rack?
Hmmmm, sounds like the new Alpha Romeo. By the way, I hope that car is a huge hit - and I hope it puts some pressure on Porsche to do the right thing.
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But, in spite of its excellence, Porsche could build a much better car by focusing on weight reduction. That car should be 300 lbs lighter. Porsche spends a lot of their focus putting in expensive (and heavy) high tech options. I'd strongly prefer them to focus on lightweight materials and simplicity. Even if that means building it smaller.
How good would a Cayman S be if it was 2700 lbs and had a retro/mechanical steering rack?
Hmmmm, sounds like the new Alpha Romeo. By the way, I hope that car is a huge hit - and I hope it puts some pressure on Porsche to do the right thing.
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12-21-2013, 11:15 AM
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Porsche is no longer an independent company and is now predominantly driven by sales/production numbers (and VW - focusing on the previous two). they have moved on from catering to a niche market and will continue to market to the masses to accomplish the end result above. common platform/extended model durations (via .2 versions of a model) will continue in an effort to maximize numbers. the days of producing a car based on an old ideology are over and will never return, imo.
as mentioned, the cayman is the 'new' 911 (in principle) and the 911 is now a GT car (think 928, which was slated to replace the 911 initially anyway), for better or worse. Porsche's focus is now the Cayenne, the Macan and the Panamera. The Cayenne accounts for 45%, give or take, of their overall sales and they're hoping the Macan will follow suit and bring even stronger numbers. the focus, for Porsche, on a true 'old school' sports car is long gone - it nearly bankrupt the company once and it won't be allowed to happen again. enjoy your 993 (or 356 or 964 or SC or longhood) or buy that SUV that VW - i mean Porsche - wants you to have so badly. like any successful company, Porsche is following the market, not our outdated desires.
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as mentioned, the cayman is the 'new' 911 (in principle) and the 911 is now a GT car (think 928, which was slated to replace the 911 initially anyway), for better or worse. Porsche's focus is now the Cayenne, the Macan and the Panamera. The Cayenne accounts for 45%, give or take, of their overall sales and they're hoping the Macan will follow suit and bring even stronger numbers. the focus, for Porsche, on a true 'old school' sports car is long gone - it nearly bankrupt the company once and it won't be allowed to happen again. enjoy your 993 (or 356 or 964 or SC or longhood) or buy that SUV that VW - i mean Porsche - wants you to have so badly. like any successful company, Porsche is following the market, not our outdated desires.
don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out...
12-21-2013, 11:38 AM
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God dam it! Its the well spoken succinctly written "reality" like rsabeebe contributes that pours cold water on this threads day dream! Dam!
Long live the death of the 911s evolution as the founder produced in the 993!
P.S., Make my Cayman S in Stone Grey Metallic (LY7U) over Black sport seats and full leather. Class dismissed.
God dam it! Its the well spoken succinctly written "reality" like rsabeebe contributes that pours cold water on this threads day dream! Dam!
Long live the death of the 911s evolution as the founder produced in the 993!
P.S., Make my Cayman S in Stone Grey Metallic (LY7U) over Black sport seats and full leather. Class dismissed.
Porsche is no longer an independent company and is now predominantly driven by sales/production numbers (and VW - focusing on the previous two). they have moved on from catering to a niche market and will continue to market to the masses to accomplish the end result above. common platform/extended model durations (via .2 versions of a model) will continue in an effort to maximize numbers. the days of producing a car based on an old ideology are over and will never return, imo.
as mentioned, the cayman is the 'new' 911 (in principle) and the 911 is now a GT car (think 928, which was slated to replace the 911 initially anyway), for better or worse. Porsche's focus is now the Cayenne, the Macan and the Panamera. The Cayenne accounts for 45%, give or take, of their overall sales and they're hoping the Macan will follow suit and bring even stronger numbers. the focus, for Porsche, on a true 'old school' sports car is long gone - it nearly bankrupt the company once and it won't be allowed to happen again. enjoy your 993 (or 356 or 964 or SC or longhood) or buy that SUV that VW - i mean Porsche - wants you to have so badly. like any successful company, Porsche is following the market, not our outdated desires.
don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out...
as mentioned, the cayman is the 'new' 911 (in principle) and the 911 is now a GT car (think 928, which was slated to replace the 911 initially anyway), for better or worse. Porsche's focus is now the Cayenne, the Macan and the Panamera. The Cayenne accounts for 45%, give or take, of their overall sales and they're hoping the Macan will follow suit and bring even stronger numbers. the focus, for Porsche, on a true 'old school' sports car is long gone - it nearly bankrupt the company once and it won't be allowed to happen again. enjoy your 993 (or 356 or 964 or SC or longhood) or buy that SUV that VW - i mean Porsche - wants you to have so badly. like any successful company, Porsche is following the market, not our outdated desires.
don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out...
12-21-2013, 03:13 PM
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Lessons in History
The 993 is the epitome of air cooled Porscheness and hence a tough act to follow Look at all the past greats from different motoring eras: Mercedes 300SL Gullwing, Ferrari 250 GTO, Lamborghini Miura, Lancia Stratos etc.
Any of them successfully reincarnated ? I don't think so…..the reason being that in all cases the original's overall appeal cannot be matched
Any of them successfully reincarnated ? I don't think so…..the reason being that in all cases the original's overall appeal cannot be matched
12-21-2013, 03:18 PM
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Too bad the Alfa 4C cannot be had with a manual transmission. That alone makes the Cayman relevant in comparison
12-21-2013, 03:41 PM
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No doubt that the new Cayman is the closest thing Porsche makes today to a 993. It's a fantastic car. Just fantastic.
But, in spite of its excellence, Porsche could build a much better car by focusing on weight reduction. That car should be 300 lbs lighter. Porsche spends a lot of their focus putting in expensive (and heavy) high tech options. I'd strongly prefer them to focus on lightweight materials and simplicity. Even if that means building it smaller.
How good would a Cayman S be if it was 2700 lbs and had a retro/mechanical steering rack?
Hmmmm, sounds like the new Alpha Romeo. By the way, I hope that car is a huge hit - and I hope it puts some pressure on Porsche to do the right thing.
/
But, in spite of its excellence, Porsche could build a much better car by focusing on weight reduction. That car should be 300 lbs lighter. Porsche spends a lot of their focus putting in expensive (and heavy) high tech options. I'd strongly prefer them to focus on lightweight materials and simplicity. Even if that means building it smaller.
How good would a Cayman S be if it was 2700 lbs and had a retro/mechanical steering rack?
Hmmmm, sounds like the new Alpha Romeo. By the way, I hope that car is a huge hit - and I hope it puts some pressure on Porsche to do the right thing.
/
12-21-2013, 07:47 PM
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I've given up on any modern 911 -- they are just huge.
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