Strange sound from rebuilt engine...
03-11-2013, 12:23 AM
#421
03-11-2013, 02:38 AM
#422
Drifting
Sorry, disagree. I would take a good used motor any day over one of motormeister's nightmares. Mike J's suggestion is very valid. It is an option that I would certainly consider in this situation.
03-11-2013, 03:00 AM
#423
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Why not ? If his engine has a bad crank, case, oil pump, jugs, rods, etc -> basically the bottom end, the parts/repairs/machining may be more expensive than getting another engine, tearing it down, building up a new good engine and selling the surplus parts.
Not sure why you would believe this is not a valid approach worthy of consideration?
Cheers,
Mike
Not sure why you would believe this is not a valid approach worthy of consideration?
Cheers,
Mike
03-11-2013, 03:59 AM
#424
03-11-2013, 09:03 AM
#425
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A full page on discussing Motormeister...........
Mike has a good suggestion. Do a spreadsheet on a rebuild first. The heads still should have the valves checked by a shop. A visual will not tell you if there is a slight bend or damage to a valve stem. Ollie's cleans and polishes pumps. You can take the pump apart and inspect the impellers and case yourself. A used short block will set you back 6.5K and you could transfer your heads and sell the used ones for around 800.00. If the case checks out you have another 1.5k there. Full rebuild is your best option and with the parts being offered up I think you can get it done for less than the short block, but a bunch of time on your end. It will be as close to new as you can get.
Mike has a good suggestion. Do a spreadsheet on a rebuild first. The heads still should have the valves checked by a shop. A visual will not tell you if there is a slight bend or damage to a valve stem. Ollie's cleans and polishes pumps. You can take the pump apart and inspect the impellers and case yourself. A used short block will set you back 6.5K and you could transfer your heads and sell the used ones for around 800.00. If the case checks out you have another 1.5k there. Full rebuild is your best option and with the parts being offered up I think you can get it done for less than the short block, but a bunch of time on your end. It will be as close to new as you can get.
03-11-2013, 09:33 AM
#426
Race Director
First, you recommend MM in a manner that no one can figure out is a joke, then you talk poorly of a good used engine.
For someone in this situation that isn't looking for more power or a wild build, a used engine is an excellent choice, especially if he can pop his refreshed heads on the used engine.
Of course due diligence is necessary, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a used engine.
03-11-2013, 12:01 PM
#428
Race Car
I am with many others here, a used engine would be a good way to go. You have already had your heads reworked by Steve W, these could go on the new engine.
Sell off the unused parts, there are alot that can be sold off including all the intake, fan, alternator etc.
Then have Andreas make a clock, or some other funky piece of art with the crank, rods pistons etc
Sell off the unused parts, there are alot that can be sold off including all the intake, fan, alternator etc.
Then have Andreas make a clock, or some other funky piece of art with the crank, rods pistons etc
03-11-2013, 01:34 PM
#429
Burning Brakes
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Yes, I have. A short block if one can be found. What is the general concensus about price? I've seen one for 4K.
I hate to say this, but have you considered just buying a used engine? I know the risks there, but even if you take some of the guys up on this list with their great deals they are offering, with all the machining and replacement parts, it might be more expensive to fix than just to replace.
Yeah, I know, getting a used engine is also risky - possible inaccurate condition, mileage, etc. But you can get an engine, swap the new heads which would solve any valve guide issues, and go from there. This especially comes attractive if you need to replace the case, crank, barrels, rods, pump, etc.... and you can sell parts of your existing engine that you don't need and are still good.
Not sure, I would definitely lay out a spreadsheet and shop around to see what makes sense.
Cheers,
Mike
Yeah, I know, getting a used engine is also risky - possible inaccurate condition, mileage, etc. But you can get an engine, swap the new heads which would solve any valve guide issues, and go from there. This especially comes attractive if you need to replace the case, crank, barrels, rods, pump, etc.... and you can sell parts of your existing engine that you don't need and are still good.
Not sure, I would definitely lay out a spreadsheet and shop around to see what makes sense.
Cheers,
Mike
03-11-2013, 02:45 PM
#430
Burning Brakes
I hate to say this, but have you considered just buying a used engine? I know the risks there, but even if you take some of the guys up on this list with their great deals they are offering, with all the machining and replacement parts, it might be more expensive to fix than just to replace.
Responded to your PM, Peter.
03-11-2013, 03:06 PM
#432
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Here are some pics of the inside of the case. There are 4 areas of concern here:
2 Silver Gashes.
1 black area below one of the gashes. This is an oil passage. Is that supposed to be exposed?
1. Scratch marks in last photo appear to have been made by the chain.
2 Silver Gashes.
1 black area below one of the gashes. This is an oil passage. Is that supposed to be exposed?
1. Scratch marks in last photo appear to have been made by the chain.
03-11-2013, 06:06 PM
#433
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I would be a bit nervous about buying a long block for 4K. A short block for 4k is a bit tough to evaluate where the long block allows you to look at valve wear etc.
03-11-2013, 08:25 PM
#434
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i would not spend 4000 on an unknown short block. send your case out to be cleaned and inspected. the oil sprayers and all gallery plugs need removed and the oil bar in the cam housing, dont forget. if the case is good, you could always shuffle pin it. i know money is a factor, but you dont want to buy stuff you not sure of the condition . if its junk then money wasted. i stick with steve w. maybe let him build the short block for you. im not saying you cant do it but it would suck to have to pull out if there is a leak. sometimes you just have to pay to have the job done correctly. these engine are way to exspensive to go down an unkown road. the professional know all the secrets and while there here to help, there not going to just give all their knowledge away. you can always make more money. take a shortcut unintensially and you will be pissed. i mean no disrespect just trying to help you out. These engines are costly, as you know. i wish you the best of luck.
03-11-2013, 09:34 PM
#435
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
i would not spend 4000 on an unknown short block. send your case out to be cleaned and inspected. the oil sprayers and all gallery plugs need removed and the oil bar in the cam housing, dont forget. if the case is good, you could always shuffle pin it. i know money is a factor, but you dont want to buy stuff you not sure of the condition . if its junk then money wasted. i stick with steve w. maybe let him build the short block for you. im not saying you cant do it but it would suck to have to pull out if there is a leak. sometimes you just have to pay to have the job done correctly. these engine are way to exspensive to go down an unkown road. the professional know all the secrets and while there here to help, there not going to just give all their knowledge away. you can always make more money. take a shortcut unintensially and you will be pissed. i mean no disrespect just trying to help you out. These engines are costly, as you know. i wish you the best of luck.