You 1995 993 Looky Loos...
#32
Rennlist Member
I'm looking for my 1st 993 and have been doing my homework for the past 6 months. I appreciate the input from fellow enthusiasts who know considerably more than I about these cars. What I've learned is that every car is unique in terms of its options, color, history, service records etc which ultimately impact value. Factoring mileage, track days it may have seen, it can become quite a complicated decision. Its only by reading a balanced set of opinions that I can formulate my own. Keep them coming guys.
#33
Burning Brakes
Opinions like these vary at every single forum no matter what type of car. You have owners that love to put down the very car they own. Why? I have no idea but they exist everywhere. Whether it be an American muscle car or another German make they insist the car is 'overpriced' without seeing it, driving it, or having any knowledge of the history of the car. I think the original post was very kindly written to highlight a possibly nice car to someone that is looking for one. Everyone knows that the dealer asking price is negotiable so you have to think $36k or similar would be the real price. If the car is excellent with no needs (even tires) then that certainly can be a good deal for someone. Sure you can buy a 993 for prices around $30,000 but before a full year's ownership you have to put in several thousand (plus aggravation and time) so what was the real purchase price? I would hate to think that the negative chatter would prevent future posts from being written. It is a service to those that are looking.
#34
Race Director
Opinions like these vary at every single forum no matter what type of car. You have owners that love to put down the very car they own. Why? I have no idea but they exist everywhere. Whether it be an American muscle car or another German make they insist the car is 'overpriced' without seeing it, driving it, or having any knowledge of the history of the car. I think the original post was very kindly written to highlight a possibly nice car to someone that is looking for one. Everyone knows that the dealer asking price is negotiable so you have to think $36k or similar would be the real price. If the car is excellent with no needs (even tires) then that certainly can be a good deal for someone. Sure you can buy a 993 for prices around $30,000 but before a full year's ownership you have to put in several thousand (plus aggravation and time) so what was the real purchase price? I would hate to think that the negative chatter would prevent future posts from being written. It is a service to those that are looking.
Furthermore, you MAY have to spend put in several thousands or you may not.
Example: Low mileage garage queen C2s sells for $50k. Car seems great but when you start driving, it leaks like a sieve from all the dried out seals.
or
You buy the high mileage C2 for $30k with 110k miles. Price reflected the mileage but the owner was meticulous about maintenance.
Every single car, whether its sold by Ray at RPM or a local used car lot is a complete and utter crap shoot. You do a PPI and you pray that everything is fine. Selling price hardly indicates the need for future (immediate or otherwise) expenses.
#35
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The elephant in the room for this particular car is that it's being sold by a franchised new car dealer. Do you think for one second that they didn't "but it right"? Thus, I see this thread as having some underlying hostility in them trying to flip a car to a naive buyer. No one is going to begrudge a profit; however this car is pretty generic, all things considered, to be at that end of the bell curve.
#36
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You think this is bad ...
Here's a 96 C2 in Canada with a 18K accident repair disclosure for $45,588. That's about $42.8K US.
https://www.dlsaccelerator.com/webas...Stocknum=U1949
Here's a 96 C2 in Canada with a 18K accident repair disclosure for $45,588. That's about $42.8K US.
https://www.dlsaccelerator.com/webas...Stocknum=U1949
#37
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Either most 993s are overpriced or that magazine is way out to lunch...one of the two.
#39
The elephant in the room for this particular car is that it's being sold by a franchised new car dealer. Do you think for one second that they didn't "but it right"? Thus, I see this thread as having some underlying hostility in them trying to flip a car to a naive buyer. No one is going to begrudge a profit; however this car is pretty generic, all things considered, to be at that end of the bell curve.
Nick
#40
Addict
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Bought my Boxster S from them. Tires were misrepresented and the back window was cracked but not in the pictures. I think it happened when they were cleaning it up for me. Also, could not get the front hood to close. I had to adjust the latch for them. Anyway, they had some cool cars there when I was out there. The wife and I drove it home from there to Ohio via the Grand Canyon. Memorable trip.
Gregg L bought a car there too and he had some issues but I don't think anything major.
Gregg L bought a car there too and he had some issues but I don't think anything major.
#41
Rennlist Member
Opinions like these vary at every single forum no matter what type of car. You have owners that love to put down the very car they own. Why? I have no idea but they exist everywhere. Whether it be an American muscle car or another German make they insist the car is 'overpriced' without seeing it, driving it, or having any knowledge of the history of the car. I think the original post was very kindly written to highlight a possibly nice car to someone that is looking for one. Everyone knows that the dealer asking price is negotiable so you have to think $36k or similar would be the real price. If the car is excellent with no needs (even tires) then that certainly can be a good deal for someone. Sure you can buy a 993 for prices around $30,000 but before a full year's ownership you have to put in several thousand (plus aggravation and time) so what was the real purchase price? I would hate to think that the negative chatter would prevent future posts from being written. It is a service to those that are looking.
Perhaps owners are not negative, but rather realistic. I don't want to see 993s sell for low prices any more than anyone else, but $40k or even $36k is simply not realistic for a narrowbody 95 with 52k miles.
Furthermore, you MAY have to spend put in several thousands or you may not.
Example: Low mileage garage queen C2s sells for $50k. Car seems great but when you start driving, it leaks like a sieve from all the dried out seals.
or
You buy the high mileage C2 for $30k with 110k miles. Price reflected the mileage but the owner was meticulous about maintenance.
Every single car, whether its sold by Ray at RPM or a local used car lot is a complete and utter crap shoot. You do a PPI and you pray that everything is fine. Selling price hardly indicates the need for future (immediate or otherwise) expenses.
Furthermore, you MAY have to spend put in several thousands or you may not.
Example: Low mileage garage queen C2s sells for $50k. Car seems great but when you start driving, it leaks like a sieve from all the dried out seals.
or
You buy the high mileage C2 for $30k with 110k miles. Price reflected the mileage but the owner was meticulous about maintenance.
Every single car, whether its sold by Ray at RPM or a local used car lot is a complete and utter crap shoot. You do a PPI and you pray that everything is fine. Selling price hardly indicates the need for future (immediate or otherwise) expenses.
#42
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Hasn't it always been that dealers often set unreasonably high prices for used cars for which they're in no hurry to sell? Am I missing something?
Remember, price is often no reflection of value. No one's holding a gun to your head to actually pay $40K. Maybe they are setting a trap for a sucker, but I just view it as the dealer wasting his own time. I pay no attention to "discounts" from "sticker." Even if he was asking $60K or even $80K, I'd have no problem with shooting a dealer the $32K I'd be wiling to pay. Worst he can say is "no." Any further yelling, flushed faces, perceived insults or stammering on his part are just entertainment for me.
Remember, price is often no reflection of value. No one's holding a gun to your head to actually pay $40K. Maybe they are setting a trap for a sucker, but I just view it as the dealer wasting his own time. I pay no attention to "discounts" from "sticker." Even if he was asking $60K or even $80K, I'd have no problem with shooting a dealer the $32K I'd be wiling to pay. Worst he can say is "no." Any further yelling, flushed faces, perceived insults or stammering on his part are just entertainment for me.
#44
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#45
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Since we're talking about unrealistic dealer pricing, this one takes the breath away
http://www.johnhollandsales.co.uk/ve...asp?ID=1123081.
http://www.johnhollandsales.co.uk/ve...asp?ID=1123081.