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SKM 03-19-2009 08:43 PM

Solution for soft brake pedal caused by ABS pump
 
If your 993 has a soft brake pedal caused by the ABS pump and not the master cylinder, I came across a rebuilder who can repair the pumps at considerably less cost than buying a new pump from Porsche.

The issue with the Porsche 993 ABS pumps seems to be that they experience an accumulation of white crystals and/or sludge internally in the channels/narrow orifices that results in a soft brake pedal.

The brake pedal is hard when stopping, however, once stopped, the pedal sinks another 1" or so when your foot is kept pressed on the brake pedal. Over time, I am told the problem gets worse and the brake pedal will sink to the floor.

From what I can gather, this is a widespread problem affecting many 993 cars, especially the 1995 and 1996 model years. The tech who works on my cars says Porsche should have recalled the pumps due to the sludge which is believed to have originated from faulty brake fluid from the factory.

I am told that if the brake system has not been flushed annually using the “hammer” device, the fluid goes bad and clogs up the ABS pump channels. Needless to say, many 993s have not been maintained to that standard - even Porsche recommends brake system flushes every two years, not annually. So many 993 owners may encounter this issue.

The new ABS pump from Porsche costs $1,600-2,000 plus installation (1 - 1 1/2hours). I came across a worldwide company (BBA-reman.com) which rebuilds ABS pumps and control units for many makes, including the 993 pumps. In their factory, they run DOT 3 fluid through the pump at high pressure while activating the pump valves thus cleaning out the sludge. The price is about half of a new pump and comes with a lifetime guarantee.

Just thought I'd pass this along.

Mark in Baltimore 09-06-2009 10:58 PM

Back from the dead. Excellent post. I am having a similar issue.

AOW162435 09-07-2009 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore (Post 6881131)
Back from the dead. Excellent post. I am having a similar issue.

Let's try the one-hour solution first...


Andreas

SKM 09-07-2009 09:47 AM

The soft brake pedal caused by the ABS pump being clogged is very distinctive vs. a spongy brake pedal due to air in the system or a bad master cylinder.

I have a freshly rebuilt ABS pump for sale for 993 models with LSD and ABD options.

Mark in Baltimore 09-07-2009 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by AOW162435 (Post 6881264)
Let's try the one-hour solution first...


Andreas

Agreed.


Originally Posted by SKM (Post 6881691)
The soft brake pedal caused by the ABS pump being clogged is very distinctive vs. a spongy brake pedal due to air in the system or a bad master cylinder.

I have a freshly rebuilt ABS pump for sale for 993 models with LSD and ABD options.

Thanks, SKM. I have a Guards LSD but no ABD, so I'm not sure if the pump is the right application for my car. I'm going to try a thorough flush and then go from there.

Arena993 09-07-2009 10:05 AM

Mark:

I have a fix for this problem. I have done it 2 times on 2 different cars and has worked perfectly. Nice thing it only costs a little time and a few dollars ($5.00). PM me your number and I'll walk you through it. BTW both cars I did it to had the ABD option w/locking diff. Just FYI.

Mike

Gasser 09-07-2009 05:30 PM

Would be nice to share with the rest of us! Have hard peddle now but may need help when older.;)

If you could put the procedure here for future referance that woiuld be great.

Jeff

jdistefa 09-07-2009 05:35 PM

Likewise :)

Mark in Baltimore 09-07-2009 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Arena993 (Post 6881722)
Mark:

I have a fix for this problem. I have done it 2 times on 2 different cars and has worked perfectly. Nice thing it only costs a little time and a few dollars ($5.00). PM me your number and I'll walk you through it. BTW both cars I did it to had the ABD option w/locking diff. Just FYI.

Mike

Thanks, MP!

stace 09-08-2009 01:54 PM

I too would really like to see a quick write up of your procedure, Arena 993 if you could? thanks

Texas993 09-08-2009 03:19 PM

I had similar issues with my first 993 (Targa). As I have documented in other strings, I had a white, waxy thick substance in my brake system. It was due to lack of frequent brake fluid flushes. Moisture accumulates in the fluid and it hardens.

While I paid up and replaced my master cylinder and had it flushed multiple times, I since learned a better solution.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten the exact specs, but the solution was to flush out the old brake fluid and replace it with an older DOT version. Leave the older version DOT fluid in the car for several days and it desolves the waxy stuff. Flush with the correct, newer DOT fluid and all is fixed.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not, search the archives for specifics.

I sent my old clogged master cylinder to Paul Reiser (PCA tech advisor) for him to study per his request. Not sure if he ever did anything with it or found a fix.

Mark in Baltimore 09-08-2009 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Arena993 (Post 6881722)
Mark:

I have a fix for this problem. I have done it 2 times on 2 different cars and has worked perfectly. Nice thing it only costs a little time and a few dollars ($5.00). PM me your number and I'll walk you through it. BTW both cars I did it to had the ABD option w/locking diff. Just FYI.

Mike

Mike,

I shot you an email at your automotion account.


Originally Posted by pjconner (Post 6885111)
I had similar issues with my first 993 (Targa). As I have documented in other strings, I had a white, waxy thick substance in my brake system. It was due to lack of frequent brake fluid flushes. Moisture accumulates in the fluid and it hardens.

While I paid up and replaced my master cylinder and had it flushed multiple times, I since learned a better solution.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten the exact specs, but the solution was to flush out the old brake fluid and replace it with an older DOT version. Leave the older version DOT fluid in the car for several days and it desolves the waxy stuff. Flush with the correct, newer DOT fluid and all is fixed.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not, search the archives for specifics.

I sent my old clogged master cylinder to Paul Reiser (PCA tech advisor) for him to study per his request. Not sure if he ever did anything with it or found a fix.

Thanks for the info, Patrick.

Arena993 09-08-2009 07:04 PM

Mark:

That email is NLA. PM sent with # and new email.

Mike

Texas993 09-08-2009 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore (Post 6885716)
Mike,

I shot you an email at your automotion account.


Thanks for the info, Patrick.

No problem Mark. I highly suggest that you at least try what I stated before you start replacing parts. Cheap solution and hopefully effective. Good luck.

stace 09-09-2009 02:27 AM

I spoke to Mike today and he was most gracious and detailed with his explanation. further flushing of my system seems to have solved my problem. But good info to have in the future. thanks again Mike - is RL a great place or what????


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