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Old 01-21-2008, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by melman911 View Post
I thought 17" were standard. No?
standard option...

I meant the factory option...ummmm...normal? you could buy it this way? its a standard look on alot of 993's......

takes pick...
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:17 PM
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standard option...

I meant the factory option...ummmm...normal? you could buy it this way? its a standard look on alot of 993's......

takes pick...
It doesn't matter really. Car looks great Dave!
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:28 PM
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Dan,
I agree with your observations #2 & #3.

When I switched to 18" wheels I felt no difference in the ride comfort.
The pss9's are very comfortable to me on the street. Even at full stiff setting they are a smoother ride than my wifes 964 C4 with either the old stock suspension and newly installed Bilstein HD's w/stock springs. I know this because I am continuously reminded by her!:

I can't give any opinion on #1 and #4 ...but LWF will be in this month and we will see. More concerned with the stalling rumors than the noise though since with my loud exhaust I probably won't hear it.

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Old 01-21-2008, 10:46 PM
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Anyone who complains about ride quality of larger wheels or higher end suspension, and noise of the lwf should get back into their BMW because the 993 is not their cup of tea JMHO.
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:31 PM
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Thanks Dan

I love my car too and recall smiling as much as you were on our little romp. It was great to meet someone who is clearly passionate about their P-Car. It was also a pleasure to see your excitement about your own 993's potential. As noted in our PM's, enjoy the ride down the slippery slope!

And as we discussed and the comments above point out, wheel offsets & alignment settings will be critical considerations should you decide on a similar configuration. The 18" 3-piece Kinesis K28's I'm running were built specifically for this application and they got it just right (it's too bad they sold their company). As importantly Bilstein actually assisted with the PSS9 configuration/install, my car has spent A LOT of time on and off the alignment rack splitting the atom and is corner balanced as well. Not to suggest that the indy's we spoke about (now that our business has changed) can't easily achieve the same results, I just want to emphasize as others often do the virtues of a car that's been setup, refined (post settling and driver feedback) and dialed in by Porsche 993 suspension specialists specifically. Suspension will transform your car more than any other mod you might be considering.

Oh and BTW....you owe me a similar romp in your car when the time comes!

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Old 01-21-2008, 11:31 PM
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Beauty of a car Dave. Nicely done. LWF is my next upgrade fo sho!
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:52 PM
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Oh and FWIW, that drive was with the PSS9's set to 3/3, TRG sway's set to middle (front) and full soft (rear). The RS engine mounts help too.... I don't generally give out my specific alignment settings but I will confirm I'm running more negative camber than Dave. I also can't say enough about the Yokohama Advan Neova's....I absolutely love them - they are just so hideously expensive ($400++ per rear, $500+ at some indy's). That said, I was still able to realize 10K miles on my last set of rears and the fronts (235's) are still in good shape after 15K. If money were no object, I'd have 993 GT2 EVO Uprights already....
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Old 01-22-2008, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Flat-6 Performance View Post
Oh and FWIW, that drive was with the PSS9's set to 3/3, TRG sway's set to middle (front) and full soft (rear). The RS engine mounts help too.... I don't generally give out my specific alignment settings but I will confirm I'm running more negative camber than Dave. I also can't say enough about the Yokohama Advan Neova's....I absolutely love them - they are just so hideously expensive ($400++ per rear, $500+ at some indy's). That said, I was still able to realize 10K miles on my last set of rears and the fronts (235's) are still in good shape after 15K. If money were no object, I'd have 993 GT2 EVO Uprights already....
Sweet Car Dan!!! I agree 110% with your observation about alignment. I have tweeked the hell out of mine. The corner balancing did the most for the handling. I got it to 50.1/49.9!! I would say I run a little more rake than most (my rear is not quite as low...). I have found it helps tremendously with turn-in. As for the PSS9's I run 2 front, 3-4 rear on the track. I get, what feels like, a bit of car hop on 1. Sways are H&R 26 front and 24 rear...(yah, I know...BIG). Full stiff on front, full loose in the back. Have not had on the track with the new bars...I may go sliding off the track under perfect control!!! We shall see. The body roll should be eliminated by those suckers...so we'll see how I do without the "roll input".

EDIT - my camber is strictly a trade off for road use to minimize inside wear. I'd go to 2.0 to 3 in a heartbeat.

It totally sucks that Kinesis was sold to the bling outfit. I love those wheels!!!...

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Old 01-22-2008, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Flat-6 Performance View Post
I don't generally give out my specific alignment settings but I will confirm I'm running more negative camber than Dave.
Are you racing your car and, thus, afraid to let your competitors try to replicate your settings?

I've always had a very open-book policy about my car's set up. I've had competitors ask about my spring rates, nitrogen pressure, alignment settings, etc. and have never been afraid to reveal settings, for I know there are a myriad of other variables that make a driver fast.
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
I've always had a very open-book policy about my car's set up. I've had competitors ask about my spring rates, nitrogen pressure, alignment settings, etc. and have never been afraid to reveal settings, for I know there are a myriad of other variables that make a driver fast.
Ain't that the truth.........

So anyway, I will sit over in my corner alone an talk to a wall about the virtues of one of those plush, totally as-delivered stock cars. Funny thing is that the one time I slapped some Hoosiers on it, I really wasn't much slower than the old, yet slightly better set up '92 C4. It wallowed. It wasn't too responsive. But they do have decent manners, and reasonable grip.

(But I'm sure glad I've got the other one that's no way in hell even occasionally streetable. Took it for a 15 mile sprint yesterday just to make sure it's all there for Laguna next week.)
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Originally Posted by DaveM993 View Post
Sweet Car Dan!!! I agree 110% with your observation about alignment. I have tweeked the hell out of mine. The corner balancing did the most for the handling. I got it to 50.1/49.9!! I would say I run a little more rake than most (my rear is not quite as low...). I have found it helps tremendously with turn-in. As for the PSS9's I run 2 front, 3-4 rear on the track. I get, what feels like, a bit of car hop on 1. Sways are H&R 26 front and 24 rear...(yah, I know...BIG). Full stiff on front, full loose in the back. Have not had on the track with the new bars...I may go sliding off the track until perfect control!!! We shall see. The body roll should be eliminated by those suckers...so we'll see how I do without the "roll input".

EDIT - my camber is strictly a trade off for road use to minimize inside wear. I'd go to 2.0 to 3 in a heartbeat.

It totally sucks that Kinesis was sold to the bling outfit. I love those wheels!!!...
Dave, that's acutally Jordan's car...which inspired my post. I'm sure others can attest to the fact that, when the 993 is "dialed" in, it's a F'ing beast. I'm learning alot on this board, and meeting some great people.

Jordan, you got it man! When I get my car set up, we are gonna find a really nice section of Hwy 1 and put her on duty. Gotta get my little one potty trained so I can stop spending a fortune on diapers
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
Are you racing your car and, thus, afraid to let your competitors try to replicate your settings?

I've always had a very open-book policy about my car's set up. I've had competitors ask about my spring rates, nitrogen pressure, alignment settings, etc. and have never been afraid to reveal settings, for I know there are a myriad of other variables that make a driver fast.
Mark,

I'm not racing my car as it's an extremely nice example happily enjoying sunny San Diego daily driver status. That said, Mind Over was a for profit business with a special emphasis on racing and car setup so our definition of competitors differs in this case. Our processes and data compiled over the years is our proprietary "value add" and also benefited from highly coveted Porsche Factory Motorsports data not generally available to others. And while M.O.M. is now closed because my partner and I couldn't agree on the fundamentals of how to run a (profitable) business, it's still possible Flat-6 might evolve in the same direction (currently my new partner and I are building some very exciting 73 RS lightweight replicas with pics coming soon of our first collaboration on a 1990 964 donor left over from M.O.M.). I hope you understand that the idea of not posting our "suspension solution" for 993's verbatim so that highly competitive local shops competing against our former customers still racing hard for example can just pull it off the web. Note that Mind Over cars (from 944's to 997GT3's) were consitently running at the VERY front in multiple classes/models from weekend novice racers to full blown Pro shoes. Several Rennlisters will attest to that.

In reality, the alignment settings for my dedicated street use only 993 are not going to really make a big difference to anyone I"d agree but the principal behind the not posting stuff we used to and might again charge for in general I hope is understood.

Here are a couple of other 993's specifically that benefited from the same data including our own shop car (driven by Randy Pobst and Craig Stanton at the 2005 24H of Thunderhill) and a private customer's very rare and expensive still Factory 993GT2-R Sprinter.

Regards,

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P.S. Dave - I've always loved arena red, your car is indeed stunning as well. Very nice!
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYT993 View Post
...Fat, and I mean FAT tires will fit in NB 993. He's got 295's out back, fenders are NOT rolled, and he still has a smidgen of clearance...i.e., no rubbing. I couldn't believe it so I felt up under the wheel well to make sure. Conclusion: NB's can handle big rubber out back.
I think Glen ran 315s on his narrow body track car, didn't he?
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:42 AM
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didnt the 97's all come wide bodied with 18s?
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