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Old 09-17-2007, 02:50 PM
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Dude,

Sorry to hear this, I feel your pain. Before you go and have the shop replace the quarter, give their top body person a chance to see what they can do as far as massaging it out first. Changing the quarter is a lot of work and a lot of welding, plus I am not sure if they have turbo S quarters already with the ducts or if the shop would have to cut those in.

As far as resale, just document it. When people shy away from a deal because of paint work it's usually ****ty paint work. If it's done right, you should be ok.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by George Huang View Post
60 hrs ??? are they replacing the entire rear quarter panel ??? like Mike J said find another body shop that can "reshape" the rear quarter panel... that is a S...
At the moment, it's for a new rear quarter panel - available from Porsche OEM with the rear ducts. I'm gonna call the specialist I bought the car off tomorrow and get some advice from him... the wing has curled in onto the wheel (hence why the car is undriveable and had to be towed to the shop)... looks pretty bad in person... may have to get a second-opinion.

The reason I'm not sure I want to do this on insurance is that my premium will go up (I'd lose my no-claims, and be paying for it for god knows how long)...

Rock... me... hard place...
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by urban_alchemist View Post
At the moment, it's for a new rear quarter panel - available from Porsche OEM with the rear ducts.
This is insanity, on two levels. First, because a good metal guy could make that fender perfect again with a few hours of work. Replacing the entire fender because of a parking lot crease is along the lines of rebuilding your engine because you need a tune-up.

Second, nothing could destroy your car's value more than if a bodyshop takes a cutoff wheel to it and starts removing body panels and welding on new ones. All your car needs is a few hours of hammer and dolly work and a very localized respray. This is not a big job at all, and it will very minimally affect the value of your 911. However what *will* serious diminish your car's value is if a group of body shop idiots starts unnecessarily cutting it apart and welding in new panels.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:27 PM
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Welcome back to London! I have a friend who lives in Chelsea, his TT got hit whilst parked, then a scaffold clamp dropped through the rear glass, numerous bumper dings, in the end he moved it down to his parents place.

It really pi•••• me off when 1stly people are careless, then to rub salt into the wound they bugger off without leaving their Insurance details, so you/I get to pick up the bill.

Hope you get it sorted, resist the replacement panel if you can, and get a localised repair.

I feel your pain.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:51 PM
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Whoa...I can't believe it.

As I've said before, the Mistress is my favorite 993 on this whole board, hands down, and...FWIW...still will be once that ding gets fixed.

Use the best shop available to do the work. If I were a prospective purchaser it wouldn't stop me so long as the work is good.
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:12 PM
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I was a claims manager for a major auto insurer for umpteen years. As Mike, George and Noah said, even though that is a pretty severe crease, a competent metal man can easily repair it. That will be far less intrusive than hacking off the entire quarter panel. The factory welds need to preserved if at all possible.

Unfortunately in the body repair business the true old school craftsmen (as opposed to "parts changers") are getting harder to find nowadays. But they are out there if you keep looking and asking others who are involved in in the exotic/specialty car community in your area. The estimate you received is beyond ridiculous. Run, don't walk, from that shop!

Please, DO NOT let a body shop cut off that quarter panel! It can be repaired, and if done correctly, will be completely indistinguishable. I'd worry more about getting a good color match, and even that is usually not much of a problem nowadays with the modern paint systems out there. By the way, the factory paint on your Turbo S most likely Glasurit, so that is what you should insist on.
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:42 PM
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First, because a good metal guy could make that fender perfect again with a few hours of work.
I have to believe this. I had a guy take dent out of my car that I thought would require more work that just popping it out and working the metal. It came out perfect no painting required (not that yours won't require any painting). A good metal worker can get it out. You would be surprised as to what someone who knows what he is doing is capable of.
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Old 09-17-2007, 06:53 PM
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I strongly urge you not to have the wing cut off, the other postings are correct, it will devalue the car more. There are a number of good specialists in west London/Surrey that could repair that in much less than 60 hours. The OPC are taking the p*ss. (I used to work in a body shop many years ago).

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Old 09-17-2007, 09:20 PM
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Under no circumstances should you let them put a torch to that gorgeous car!!!!!

Gawd!!! what I would give to catch the sum-muh-muh-bitches who do this and then try to get away, I'm so pissed I can't see straight. Search, and search, and search some more until you find the most talented guy in the country, both for metal and paint..hell for that $$ you might as well ship the car back to Stuttgart!!
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:02 PM
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Many years ago, I worked in a body shop as a part time job while going to college. The owner was this German guy who was trained at Porsche. He was amazing with what he could do to "properly" repair these fine cars. He would tell the customers, in his strong German accent," after we're done fixin' your car, you're go'na wish you wrecked it sooner." We did all the work for the local Porsche dealer for years. If "properly" repaired by a trained, experienced journeyman metal man and an expert painter, the damage should be nearly impossible to detect.
No way should you remove that quarter panel! Find the best body shop you can, look around inside to see what kind of cars are being repaired, talk to PCA members in your area for referrals, etc.
Oh yeah, watch where you park that thing!
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:59 PM
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Whole heartedly agree with the above opinions, DON'T cut out that quarter panel! I've done a lot of body work over the years and whenever possible I would avoid cutting out a panel in order to maintain the integrity of the car regarding alignment of seams and related panels since this is a unibody chassis.

However, not to rain on anyone's parade, I think there is a likelihood that you will have a loss in value of the car as a result of being repainted/repaired no matter how well done. You have a special car that will do nothing but be more collectible as time goes by and we all know that original untouched cars are almost always worth more than repaired/repainted cars. Simple fact of life.

I think it makes good sense to consider letting the insurance pay for this repair and furthermore I would strongly look in to a "diminished value claim". Can't speak for the UK but in the US there are specialists for this type of claim especially with high-end cars such as yours. Beautiful car, best of luck, would like to hear how this turns out.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:09 PM
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this is totally appropriate!


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Old 09-18-2007, 12:22 AM
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FWIW, if I were in that situation I would spend a modest amount having a "dent pro" try to suction out the crease. Worse case is that he couldn't; best case is he could get a large part of it. Then I would try another reputable BS. 60 hours seems excessive (by about 100%).
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Old 09-18-2007, 12:48 AM
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Oh man I love your car.
I agree with the rest who say "do not cut".
Sorry about your misfortune ... that is some death-penalty ****, right there...
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Old 09-18-2007, 01:41 AM
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Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm gonna call later and tell him under NO circumstances do I want the wing replaced. Under threat of removing the car (and him losing business), I'll see what he says and move from there...
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