TOORUF

I'm looking for a little insight. I am looking at one of my customers cars It's a
95 993 Cab, Red, Cashmere Full Leather Interior, Limited Slip Diff, Power seats, 17" wheels, Hi fi w/ CD $77,878 Sticker price.
1. 66,700 miles
2. New top 1 year ago
3. Brakes look good
4. Tires look good
5. AC works
6. Interior looks good no rips.
7. Located in Newport Beach, CA cooler weather. Drove to work for 9 years 6 miles each way.
Questionable items
1. Valve covers leak
2. Valve Guides Unknown
3. Engine tray still on
4. Shocks look original
5. Some rock chips on front bumper
6. 2 dime size dents on hood
7. front spoiler has hit a few driveways
8. Clutch seems hard?
9. Owner does not know where the records are he has a concierge that would take it to strusse automotive or the Porsche dealer. I am waiting for a call back from him to see where he put the records.
This is the first 993 I have driven. Very different than my 74 911 with a 78 3.0 and 915. Are the clutches hard on these or is it time for a new one?
I just want to know if it's a good buy for around $27K - $30K
I will have a PPI done if I decide it's a good buy.

vjd3

It needs a clutch ... new clutch on a 993 is as light as a Honda's. That will be a good time to attend to the valve covers, and do the 60k service if it hasn't been done (plugs, rotors, etc.). You'll have to do the suspension as well if the shocks are original (unless they are the factory M030 shocks), but that's a nice upgrade on the car anyway.

Given that you're looking at probably $2500 with the clutch and service, it would be a very good deal at $27k, assuming the leakdown/compression is good and other than the driveway scrapes there has been no accidents or paintwork on the car. You can "upgrade" to the lightweight RS flywheel at this point, which will let it rev a little freer, I did that to my former 95 C4 cab and liked it a lot.

Wilder

Seems like a good deal to me. I bought mine for $31k in April with 47k mi. My needed new wheels, tires, top and the front seats reupholstered. Now that I've done that work, the car is a 9/10 in the most desirable color combo IMHO.

Now that it's fall, I'm seeing higher mileage cabs in the high 20s to low 30s range. This one is not high and it's not low either. Price seems good to me if the car checks out.

As for the clutch, they can seem hard to someone who's never driven one before so I don't know that you should use that as a gauge of wear, although clearly it's not a new one. The release can be quite high too. I'm no expert here but I think worn out clutches feel sticky or hard to the point of making it unpleasant to drive. You should look for another 993 for sale in your area and take it out for comparison sake.

Slow Guy

FWIW, I bought a '97 Cab two mos. ago w/ 67k mi. for $33.7k. Car was a Calif. car for most it's life then moved to AZ, where I bought it from. Between 64K mi. and 67K when I bought it the car had 60k service, new clutch, new rotors/pads all around and all new tires (wheels in very good cond but only 17's). The car will need a new top in a year or so. Ext. about an 8, int. a 7. PPI had leakdown, one cyl at 8%, the rest 6's, 4's and under (very good IMO). Shocks were toast, as expected, so I just finished replacing all 4 w/ Bilstein HD's and euro M030 springs.

As for the car you're looking at, the issues that concern me are only driving the car 6 mi. each way on a daily basis for 9 years. These cars need to be fully warmed up, and that many short trips would concern me. If the PPI checks out clean though it might not be an issue. Others have/will tell you the cost of 60K service and clutch and if you do your own work the Bilstein HD/M030 will set you back about $1800 w/ alignment so take all those factors into account. If you could get it for $27k I would think that would be an OK deal, but I'm no expert.

HTH

TOORUF

Is the clutch a DIY? I have no problem removing engine and trans on the 74. Is the 95 much different? What about valve guide wear? I was told by local mechanic that the valve guides are probalby shot, which I know is expensive. On the 95's without the secondary air injectors how much of a problem is the worn guides? Does that mean it will just use more oil or not pass smog?

TOORUF

Thanks for all the replies

Pedro356C

Bought mine 16 months ago ( 28k miles) for $34K...

vjd3

Clutch is certainly a DIY if you know what you're doing ... plenty of resources on this board for help, too.

I wouldn't be too worried about the valve guides at that mileage; leakdown/compression will be telling on that account. It might use some oil if the guides are worn but won't really need attention until it starts fouling the plugs, and plenty of 993's have twice that many miles without needing the guides done.

No worries on the SAI issue with a 95, one of the great things about that year. The car will pass emissions irregardless. The car still has the ports, they are just not monitored by the OBD system, so they can clog and the car will run fine and pass emissions. I suspect you'd really have to be burning some oil to fail emissions due to valve guides.

24FPS

i'd hop on it... best used car buy out there = my95's imho.

itsme-itsme

If you can get it for $28K - $29K, and can stand putting $5000 to $10000 additional into it over the next 36 months, you'll have the greatest car you'll ever own!

TOORUF

I just received the records from the dealer. I needs new clutch and slave, oil leaks from valve covers and cam housing. DME update recommended. Dealers states $2300 oil leaks, $3500 clutch. Brakes, 60K service, distributor service, New Air bags, 02 sensor,alignment, belts and pulleys, just recently done. What kind of discount should I ask for the clutch and oil leaks? Both repairs I will do myself.

Wilder

As an 11 year old car, it's expected to have issues but $6k is enough that offering to pay his asking minus half of the work or $3k seems within the range of fair to me. I'd try $24 and see what he says.

24FPS

why did it need new airbags??? put that puppy up on a rack, see if it's been hit. ppi then make your offer (is what i'd do). but i'd have someone (that was knowlegable about p-cars) look underneath b4 havin' to pay anything for a ppi. would the seller pay for ppi or half?

yeah... take it to a great indie place for service, etc.

jimbo3

$3500 for a clutch???? Find another place for service.

TOORUF

24 FPS It needed new airbags because the dealer told him they need to be replaced every 10 years. I'll look at the car thouroghy before paying for the PPI. I been working on my own P cars for 16 years. Last item was turboing and switching to EFI on a 3.0 for my 74. And making it a cab from targa.
jimbo3 That's the dealer price for the clutch. I was going to use that as a bargaining chip.