MrClifton

After several months of suffering from the paralysis of analysis, I decided on the H+R coil over kit.

I downloaded the eight page DIY from Robin's web site. Installation was straight forward and a little hard. I Didn't need a spring compressor as you can push the springs down by hand while someone gets the nut started.

My overall impression is good. They are a little stiffer then stock. About 5-10%. They are threaded all the way to allow for full corner balancing if you choose and they bolt right on with the stock sway bars.

The kit lowered the front 1 1/2 inches and the rear 1 3/8 inchs.

Gert gave me the sale price about 30 days before the sale. The cheapest I saw them in the states was about $2000. For that price from Gert, I bought the coil overs, mats, motorsound tips, a first aid kit, flashlight and protection bar. A true bargain.

I also received Nordstrom service from Gert. From what I understand I will get a Duty bill from the shipping company later of about $80. It's still a good deal. Shipping took about two weeks.

rkymtn993

What was the total cost? And how much time did it take you to DIY? any special tools required?

Jeff 993TT

And the 64,000 question is, why did you choose the H&R over the PSS-9's????

DJF1

Jeff the fact remains that the H&R is a very good coilover system and most importantly there are not any issues with the install like with the PSS-9. That factor is what drove me to select them over the PSS-9 for my cab. Like Clifton said it can be used with the stock sways, no need for RS bars, hats or monoballs for that matter.
Frankly the PSS-9 adding all the accessories to have it properly installed makes the H&R coilover a relative bargain and a very worthwhile upgrade.
Personally while I could use the adjustability of the PSS-9, I'm thrilled in the overall performance of the H&R especially on track events or spirited "canyon driving" . Money very well spend and for the price a bargain IMO for a fully tunable and well made coilover system.

MrClifton

I decided on the H+R kit over the PSS-9's for a few reasons. The PSS-9 springs are 250 lbs front and 685 lbs rear. The H+R's are 295 front 360 rear. Stock are 200 front and 275 rear. I did not want a stiff, harsh ride. I spoke to a few PSS-9 owners and some said it was fine for the street and some said it was stiff. I understand that the H+R's are not adjustable for dampening however, it's a matched set by H+R of their springs and Bilstein shocks. I trust them to have a good setup and I don't need an adjustable suspension for the street.

Another consideration is cost. The H+R's are about $300 less. $1495 Euro (right now $1629 American)

Yes there were a few tools I needed to buy. If you are going to own and work on one of these cars, you will be accumulating tools as you go along. You need a set of Torx sockets, a 10mm allen socket, some odd size metric sockets and end wrenches 15mm, 18mm, a stubby ratchet, etc. You should own these anyway. I borrowed an air impact wrench.

Time to install was funny. It takes a while to figure out how Porsche does things. Even with the DIY guide. The front right took me about three hours. The left front about an hour. The left rear about 1 1/2 hours. The right rear, about 45 minutes.

911-TOUR

Who are you kidding Danny ? We don't have any Canyon's around here

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sean

Speedraser

Mr. Clifton and DJF1,
How do you find the H+R coil-overs' ride for the road. Although I do a lot of back road fun driving and some track days, a lot of my use is long trips/highways -- I don't want to make the car too firm for that.

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Sean Spicer:
<strong>Who are you kidding Danny ? We don't have any Canyon's around here

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sean</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I know Sean I was mainly refering to the lucky guys out west... You know I'm a track junkie and dont speed on the streets

Todd the stiffness is all relative. My advise is to find someone close to where you are with the setup and give it a try. What may be stiff for you may not be stiff for me and via versa...
I really like Sean's setup as well with the m030 springs, sways and Bilstein HD's. I do not drive much on the street with the cab so relative stiffness is not an issue for me. I guess if my cab was a daily driver then I would lean towards the HD setup.

Chris C.

I find the ride, once fully sorted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> is perfect for a performance street (95%) and track (5%) setup. My car with H&Rs rides amazingly close to a friend's running the factory RS suspension. Hmmm.

This is a nice setup and I second Danny's line of reasoning vs. the pss-9. No reason to pay for what I don't need, and that rear mounting issue made it easier to decide.

The car can get a bit stiff on highway expansion joints. If that is your main use for the car (% miles wise) I would consider the HD/m030.

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Chris C.:
<strong>I find the ride, once fully sorted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> is perfect for a performance street (95%) and track (5%) setup. My car with H&Rs rides amazingly close to a friend's running the factory RS suspension. Hmmm.

This is a nice setup and I second Danny's line of reasoning vs. the pss-9. No reason to pay for what I don't need, and that rear mounting issue made it easier to decide.

The car can get a bit stiff on highway expansion joints. If that is your main use for the car (% miles wise) I would consider the HD/m030.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I take it it's finally fully shorted? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Having fun yet?
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MrClifton

In my short experience with the H+R setup, it rides a little stiffer overall. It is a better "Feeling" suspension. On some roads it rides better than stock. It rides in EVERY way better than my 1984 did. That thing would wear you out with the ride (stock) and the noise (stock). 300 miles and you were whipped.

My short drives I've taken on the freeway were wonderful. I would recommend it as a great road setup. Not stiff or harsh at all.

Speedraser

Thanks to all for the responses.

Sean, DJF, Chris C,
How different is the H+R feel from the RoW M030?

Mr. Clifton,
Did you have the standard US suspension before the H+R setup?

M030, H+R coilover, H+R non-coilover, Eibach, PSS-9...

MrClifton

Yes my suspension was the standard US. Let's just call the standard shocks "spring guides".

Chris C.

The ROW m030 feels "springy" meaning compliant--just a better ride with the same handling as the stock US m030 (equalizing for ride height differences). The H&R coilovers feel about as stiff as you'd want a car to ride on the street unless you're a masochist...it can be a bit "jiggly" on poor quality roads. It is equivalent to the RS ride IMHO.

If you don't love a stiff riding sports car, or if you have really bad roads in your area go with the m030--it is a nice street compromise.

I would need to ride in a pss9 car to compare, but I have been told the ride is similar to H&Rs at full soft except it's stiffer in the rear (and of course its adjustable for the track).

Skip the Eibach springs option.

DJF1

Confused much speedracer? LOL..You are not the only one... Obviously you do care a lot about the day to day ride...SO to make the long story short:

1. The stock shocks are crap and do not last long.
2. An M030 setup should be your ticket.
3. Since the factory shocks are crap then you need quality shocks. therefore the only choise I see for you IS a setup like this:

<a href="http://www.carnewal-europe.com/cpx_p93106.htm" target="_blank">HD Bilstein shocks with H&R springs</a>

By comparison, I rode in Sean's car which have the HD's paired with M030 sways and springs while our mutual mechanic was testing the install and I was really impressed with how the car rode.