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Jamessmith 02-09-2024 04:29 PM

improved engin cooling for a 993 c4
 
I live in southern California. I recently purchased a 993 c4. During the summer while in traffic the engine temperature will go up but not to the red line. I am thinking about installing the turbo front bumper with the turbo inlets where the fog lights are and the turbo rear wing/engine compartment lid to provide more room for air circulation and a fixed rear spoiler to help cool the engine. any thoughts or suggestions

mike cap 02-09-2024 05:07 PM

The stock engine cooling (oil/air) is pretty effective.

What temps are you seeing (o’clock needle position) that make you concerned? And in what circumstances? Your “not to redline” doesn’t tell us much.

First thing to do is make sure your cooling mechanisms are working properly. Does the oil cooler fan operate in high and low speeds (resistor ok?), is the oil cooler heat exchanger clean, has the engine under tray been removed?

Your fixes will not solve any underlying problem if there is one. In my opinion the turbo bumper on a NB looks great. The fixed wing is a bit of overkill.

71-3.0-911 02-09-2024 05:12 PM

Start with your ballast resistors and go from there.

IainM 02-09-2024 08:25 PM

If that comes up negative pull the alternator & engine fan and remove the mouse nest on top of the cylinders.

EckFe1 02-10-2024 02:07 AM

The Clewett belt kit provides more air flow than the old v belt.

Watson 02-10-2024 07:27 AM

When the engine is at normal temperature, the oil temperature needle is between 8 and 9 o'clock (closer to 8 though). When I am sitting in traffic at idle and the engine heats up, the needle is at 9 o'clock. Which temperature have you seen?

boomboomthump 02-10-2024 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Jamessmith (Post 19270215)
...During the summer while in traffic the engine temperature will go up but not to the red line.

As long as it is not in the red, especially while driving, everything is completely fine. Don't overthink it. None of what you've mentioned modifying will have any perceived effect. These cars have been around for over two decades and survive even hotter climates than yours.

See here for full breakdown: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techart...20(red%20arrow).

Excerpt:
The temperature gauge is your way of knowing the temperature of the motor.
There is no water temperature gauge because there is no water so this gauge lets you know how "hot" or "cold" the motor is.
Normal operating temperature is between the two middle hash marks (yellow arrows).
While the oil is warming up it is considered good practice to keep the revs under 3500 until it clears the second line on the gauge (red arrow).
While it is perfectly alright to operate the car while the temperature is above or below the two middle marks, do not run the motor for any length of time with the gauge in the red (blue arrow).
It is not considered a good idea to let the car idle to warm it up; it can take a very long time to warm up the engine at just idle.
After you start the motor it is fine to drive the car under approximately 3500RPM until it starts to warm up.
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Jamessmith 02-10-2024 11:41 PM

thanks for the responses. temps range between 8and 10 on the clock. never in the red/orange, during cool weather just below 8 than can get just below 9. never have had it yet in traffic in the summer with the a/c on. will test it this summer. thinking of still putting the turbo front bumper on with the turbo fog lights. like to look. so looks like my c4 is fine. thanks again for the input.

Churchill 02-11-2024 01:06 AM

Put the bumper on if you like the look, but it has zero affect on cooling. You need to check if your oil cooler fan is operating properly (it has two speeds). Your temp should not be getting even close to red.

P-daddy 02-11-2024 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Churchill (Post 19272594)
Put the bumper on if you like the look, but it has zero affect on cooling. You need to check if your oil cooler fan is operating properly (it has two speeds). Your temp should not be getting even close to red.

Agreed. And clean out dried up leaves and debris blocking the front of your oil cooler. You can peep through the front bumper.

Chuck W. 02-15-2024 12:58 PM

I installed a fan override switch. Easy mod and very effective.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pors...t=gws-wiz#ip=1

pp000830 02-15-2024 03:42 PM

Hi James,
If your temp gauge creeps to slightly above 9:00 when idling in traffic in hot weather this is normal. If under such conditions your oil pressure dips below 2 bar I would use a thicker oil such as a 50 weight to ensure good lubrication, Other than this I am not sure any added actions to cool the engine are required. Here is a page discussing how to read the gauges:
https://993servicerepair.blogspot.co...-leveloil.html

Andy

cgfen 02-15-2024 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Jamessmith (Post 19270215)
I live in southern California. I recently purchased a 993 c4. During the summer while in traffic the engine temperature will go up but not to the red line. I am thinking about installing the turbo front bumper with the turbo inlets where the fog lights are and the turbo rear wing/engine compartment lid to provide more room for air circulation and a fixed rear spoiler to help cool the engine. any thoughts or suggestions

"he turbo front bumper with the turbo inlets where the fog lights are".
This will not do much if anything for driving in traffic temps.

I agree with checking health of the engineered system, beginning with the ballast resistors.

You can also wire one of the fans (maybe both) so it is always on.
I did that, but it so many years ago I don't remember the details......................................................
It made a difference in traffic and track days.


There ya go, read what Chuck posted.

Craig


See post #11

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...rride-mod.html

WhiteCab 02-15-2024 10:44 PM

This will take care of your concerns. Cost about what a wide-body front bumper and paint would cost.

https://www.carnewal.com/products/96.../GT-Oil-Cooler

Churchill 02-15-2024 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by WhiteCab (Post 19281683)
This will take care of your concerns. Cost about what a wide-body front bumper and paint would cost.

https://www.carnewal.com/products/96.../GT-Oil-Cooler

It will not take care of his concerns if his oil cooler fan isn't working correctly. If it is working, the stock cooling setup is very effective. It's probably not working. So installing another oil cooler isn't really the way to proceed here.


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