Tramonts mounted
 

Picked up a set of Tramonts from Darin at FD. I love the new look with these wheels compared to the MY02s.

18 x 8.5 fronts +42
235/40/18 Sumitomo HTRZ5

18 x 10 rears +58
285/30/18 Sumitomo HTR Z5

Fenders were rolled.

I wanted to get the flushest look possible and it's pretty close. With the wheels/tires mounted, I can see another 5mm poke for the rears and maybe ~8mm in the fronts that can be added.

Overall, I'm super happy with the look and feel of the car with the new set up.
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Yup those look great! Well done sir!

car looks awesome :thumbup:

Beautiful!

Great looking wheels!

Very nice fitment.

Looks great

Tramonts are kinda like Franks Hot Sauce…goes great with everything. Congrats, perfect on the 993…
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Perfect offsets. Bold move tucking those 285s with 58mm offset. Well done

Thanks for the compliments. It definitely changes the look of the car.

95_993: Thanks. With the fenders rolled, there's more room to go with the offsets front and rear if one desires. Love the look of the 285s!

I am running the same offset Tramonts on my NB with 265s in the rear...close on compression. No roll in the fenders.

Looking great. If you hadn't rolled the fenders, what would your offsets needed to be with those widths and tire sizes?

FWIW: I manage 18x10 ET65 (BBS LMs, not Tramonts) on 285/30 with no roll or rub.

The ET50 variant would not have fit without a decent fender roll + more neg camber + a more aggressive sidewall stretch. Too many sacrifices.

A rear offset of 65 is likely required to run a 285 without fender roll. Also depends on the tire and set up.

Darin at FD had these wheels installed on another customer’s car with 225/40 fronts and 265/40 rear PS2s at about the same ride height and the rear had a slight rub. That car had no fender roll.

From what I’ve researched here, a +59 offset on the rear would work if you didn’t want to roll
the fenders. But the lip size would be 1” less.

There were a slew of variables (ride height, tire size, tire brand/sidewall profile, offset, camber) to consider running an aggressive flush set up with the ride height I wanted.

The car was aligned to factory specs. The rear is at the edge of factory which is -2.0 and the fronts are at -1.8. Car tracks well.

I’ll post some closer pics of the roll and the tire distance to the fender to help give some perspective. Looking at it in person, I have the option to go lower (maybe another 1/4” and still not rub) or the wheels can go more aggressive on the offset (maybe another 5mm less front and rear) to get a more flush look. The Sumitomos have a rounder tire profile that the other tires (ie. Yokohama, Falken, Michelin, Toyo R888) so that helps clear the fender. I was looking to go with a square profile tire but Sumitomo prices were too good to pass up ($600 for all 4 from Simple Tire). Car feels super planted.

Feel free to ask any questions. Hope this helps.

Here are some closer pics of the roll and fender. You can see that there's room for more poke front and rear.

From the pics, it may look like the front tire may rub. However, I can fit my entire hand flat between the tire and inner fender liner so there's plenty of space for suspension travel. I haven't experienced any rubbing so far.

The rear has about the same amount of room maybe slightly less compared to the front contrary to the picture.

I decided not to lower the rear more because then it would sag more in the rear and won't have the even rake it has now.
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For what it’s worth, I probably speak for a few folks by saying your detailed photos and sizing (tire, offset, fender) info are hugely helpful.

I went through dozens of threads earlier in the year trying to “nail” the fitment on my NB. This thread probably would have simplified a lot of that.

Was it hard finding someone to roll the fenders? I tried several body shops and nobody wanted to do it, for fear of causing damage. I ended up with a shop that ground away some of the lip of the fender and that has been adequate on all but the most severe of bumps.
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Well done!! This is the best looking 993 targa I’ve seen.

Thanks. I went through exactly what you described. You were helpful in your earlier responses about your LM setup so thanks also. Happy to help and contribute to the community!

I'm lucky to be in the SF Bay Area where the car mod community is abundant so I had a couple reputable options.

Thanks!

I ordered a set in the same fitment and am planning to use Conti ExtremeContact Sport tires in the same sizes as OP (285 rear). Fenders are not rolled but I will find out pretty quick if they need to be or not.

Awesome. You'll love the wheels! Post pics when you can. What tires sizes will you be running in the front?

The Contis have a more square profile so depending on your ride height, you may need to roll the fenders. It's not a big deal to do it.

Took my guy an hour at most to do all four corners with a heat gun and mallet. He's done a ton of P-cars in the area and the end result is pro.

225 front just because I have them already. Any thoughts on 225 vs 235?
The rears are nearing the end of their life so I'm tempted by the Sumitomo tires. I could get a full set of Sumis for the same cost as a pair of rear Contis - but they are certainly not as well rated/reviewed.

I had the Sumitomo HTR ZIIIs on the 993. My MY02s came with old PS2, so when I put them on, I was not impressed, but they were old. The Sumis (225 front 285 rear) where great, and cheap. I got about 10K on the fronts and 7-8K on the rears. I went through two sets of fronts and 3 sets of rears, when I decided to "spurge" and returned to brand new PS2s.

Not telling my wife, she immediately noticed that the car was quieter, smoother and rode better, all from the passenger seat. I always liked her butt, but I never knew it was calibrated so well also!

The PS2s, while an old tread, are the new compound. the car is a street car, and I drive only a few thousand miles a year. I have had them for about 4 years now, and I really like them. Are they 3 X better? no, they are 3x the price, so that has to be considered. I can't say the I highly recommend them, as there are lots of other good tires, but I can't say anything bad about the PS2s, especially for a street car, other than the cost.

I don't have experience with the Continentals, but they rate well in dry on Tire Rack testing, the Bridgestone RE-71 always seems to do well also, and I have had several Yokohamas on previous cars and really like Yokohamas as well (A008s were incredible) Can't go wrong with the Sumis, IMHO, and if price is the number 1 priority, that is probably the best choice. There are "better tires" for performance and ride quality, but are also more costly.

My 0.02... good luck!

one of the things my father taught me is that you don’t skimp on the things separating you and ground - such as shoes, tires, and mattresses. So I think I will just be getting new Conti rears!

I decided on the 235s for the front to match the wider track of the 285s in the rear. I was told this would be better balance with regards to oversteer.

I did much debating with the tires. Given the car will live on the street mostly cruising with spirited driving spurts here and there, the Sumitomo HTRZ5 made the most sense. After talking with others here and local shops, unless I plan on taking the car to the track, the Sumis are plenty good for the street. They are a great tires for the price. Car tracks smoothly on the street and feels super planted in the corners.

Please report back with your thoughts on the Contis!

Exciting delivery from DHL, these will be mounted this coming week. My fenders are NOT rolled but I’ll find out pretty quickly if I need to get them rolled or not with these 285 Contis.


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Tramonts. Darin set this up with KW3s as well

Congrats! Love the look of Tramonts.

that is a beautiful wheel!

did you have to roll your fenders?

Nice! What offsets did you end up with? Looking forward to the pics.

What's your ride height? This will obviously have a role on whether or not you'll have to roll the fenders.

I am at near ROW height currently with rolled fenders. Although I never ran the wheels before the fenders were rolled, there is plenty of clearance like I mentioned earlier in the thread.

same offsets as you. I believe my car is at ROW height or close to it. No big deal if I have to get the fenders rolled. I just need to make time to get the tires ordered/mounted and get everything on the car.
Pic of the car as it sits now:

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Nice! Super clean. I like the painted rear bumperettes and the no wing look. Looks like we share the same tips.

No

what size rear tires?

225/40ZR-18 MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S

265/35ZR-18 MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S

Do you know widths of the outer and inner barrels for front and rear ?

I'll have to measure to find out. From what I understand, the rear has a 2.5" outer lip with the +58 offset. So the inner barrel is 7.5" to total to 10".

I'll be doing some exhaust work in a couple weeks so will measure the fronts then.

When I got my car, it had 235/35/19 Michelin front tires on an ET54 (I'm told) wheel, and the fronts rubbed the unrolled fender lips under compression. This is on a 19" wheel but the overall diameter is pretty much identical to a 235/40/18 tire, so the much lower offset of these Tramont wheels has me a little concerned, but I can always roll the front fenders if needed. That said, the Michelins are a much meatier tire than the size suggests. Tread width on the 235 width Michelin is 8.5" compared to 7.9" on a 235/40/18 Conti tire. I considered the Sumitomos because of the price but reviews aren't great, and the 285 rear Sumis are really heavy. Like 30 pounds each compared to the 23Ib Conti in the same size. 93 load rating on the Conti compared to 97 on the Sumi.

I'll measure the front barrels and lips when I get home later this week. I asked Darin @ FD about more aggressive fitment and he recommends against it. The 8.5" ET42 F and 10" ET 58 R seems to be the sweet spot on an NB car.

FD deal with this regularly and have experience.
Plus 3point2's pictures, of his targa with 2.5'' outer barrel on the rear look perfectly proportioned with the fronts for a NB car.
Came across another poster on here with a NB who changed the outer barrel from 2.5'' to 3'' ( yup, total width 10.5'') , requested him to share some pictures

Hard to tell from the photos with the angle but looking straight down on the ruler, these are the measurements.

Given these are step lipped, not sure if I end the measurement at the first lip or to the very end which is what I did.

Hope this helps.

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Rear outer barrel is 2 7/8"
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Rear inner barrel is 7 1/2"
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Front outer barrel is 2 1/4"

You're not measuring correctly. You don't include the outermost flared edge of the rim.

Your wheels are 2.5" outer lips on the rear (and therefore 7.5" inners). Your front is also a 2" outer lip based on your photo.

Noted. Thanks!

No problem. See Tramont Group Buy thread for a visual explanation. It just came up there as well and I took the time to edit some images to explain.