993 WB Values are UP!!!
#1351
Yeah that repair is horrible. Almost looks like great stuff spray foam that's been shaved back. I like that it still has the sticker from the parts department on it as well.
The coated exhaust car does look awesome. Now I know what I'm doing this winter. (I actually like the contrast of the clamps vs coating them)
The coated exhaust car does look awesome. Now I know what I'm doing this winter. (I actually like the contrast of the clamps vs coating them)
993 501 033 GRV
#1352
This is one of those auctions that actually needs to be pulled by the website. Selling this car without disclosure of major league front end damage is straight up fraud. I have half a mind to register on that website just to link this page.
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#1353
Rennlist Member
On these auction sites, can bids be pulled when something like this is discovered?
#1354
Rennlist Member
Lawsuit! That’s clearly “Non-Disclosure” to an unsuspecting buyer. Jerry Seinfeld ring a bell…… never stand up court. Seller’s hanging his hat on the CarFax being “clear.” What a cluster! Again why you should never purchase a car “sight unseen.” Crazy! Six figures as well to boot! Problem is in this market it’s hard to find 993s especially WB cars… thus the result here…… wow
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#1355
Rennlist Member
Judging by the rear plate visible in one photo, the sellers user name, and the incredible car itself- I think it is safe to say that it is long time rennlister LAURIER's auction.
(Although he hasn't posted here in a long while.)
He has always kept the car impeccable and then some.
I agree that it should be a record setter. Wishing him the best!
(Although he hasn't posted here in a long while.)
He has always kept the car impeccable and then some.
I agree that it should be a record setter. Wishing him the best!
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Das14444 (10-16-2021)
#1356
#1357
Racer
Lawsuit! That’s clearly “Non-Disclosure” to an unsuspecting buyer. Jerry Seinfeld ring a bell…… never stand up court. Seller’s hanging his hat on the CarFax being “clear.” What a cluster! Again why you should never purchase a car “sight unseen.” Crazy! Six figures as well to boot! Problem is in this market it’s hard to find 993s especially WB cars… thus the result here…… wow
#1358
Burning Brakes
Judging by the rear plate visible in one photo, the sellers user name, and the incredible car itself- I think it is safe to say that it is long time rennlister LAURIER's auction.
(Although he hasn't posted here in a long while.)
He has always kept the car impeccable and then some.
I agree that it should be a record setter. Wishing him the best!
(Although he hasn't posted here in a long while.)
He has always kept the car impeccable and then some.
I agree that it should be a record setter. Wishing him the best!
#1359
Burning Brakes
Google the vin it seems to have had several postings when it was for sale in recent years
#1360
Rennlist Member
Wishing him the best? The seller is the liar, not the auction site...
Go back one page and start again.
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Das14444 (10-16-2021)
#1362
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1...1-carrera-s-2/
So does this 'storied' car have a fair price point? If it stays at around $110k, does it make an acceptable buy, considering that otherwise this is a $160k-$170k car all day long?
So does this 'storied' car have a fair price point? If it stays at around $110k, does it make an acceptable buy, considering that otherwise this is a $160k-$170k car all day long?
#1363
Rennlist Member
^ I think yes, at some price it's worthwhile. If I were in the market I would buy it with the intention of fixing it correctly. So if the purchase price exceeded the cushion to do so I would pass.
Seems too good of a car otherwise to leave it as-is
Seems too good of a car otherwise to leave it as-is
#1364
Burning Brakes
You can't undo a major frontal crash with some better caulk...
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Gbos1 (10-17-2021)
#1365
I also have a thesis that some (not all but some) of these 993s listed on PCARMARKET and other sites during the pandemic are BAD cars. Not that they aren’t worth owning, but they are cars that 2 or 3 years ago rennlisters would pass over due to paint work or questionable mileage (odometer disconnected)
With somewhat limited supply in this market sellers are putting these previously undesirable cars on the market and getting top dollar. When I look closely I can see the marring and glue around the odometers and of course carfax shows 20k miles in 2003 and 21k miles in 2021 with no record in between. That reads as a disconnected odometer to me. Not a car I want to touch… Other sellers state “all original paint” but when metered the seller is “shocked” to find the entire left side was resprayed and has body filler.
Nothing wrong with some paint work, but the non disclosure would cause me to walk every time.
If you have a good clean honest example I say hold. They will only continue to appreciate and in 10 - 15 years when the base price for a new 911 is approaching $200k a perfect 993 may feel like a bargain at over $200k ?
I still believe it to be true. There are great cars out there, but with this crazy 993 market the undesirable cars are coming out of storage and unsuspecting (or uneducated) buyers who don’t know what to look for are paying top dollar for them.
As for the value of a damaged car. Sure there is a fair market value. For me personally; I would wait to find a good clean no story example.
I get the concept of “buy the seller” but I recommend you “buy the car” Even the most honest sellers do end up with undesirable cars from time to time. Do your homework and know the car…When it comes to these auctions - I only trust what I can verify.
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