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Old 05-23-2019, 12:55 AM
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Doing some suspension work and need to do an alignment. Does anyone have a KT guage I can borrow/rent from you?

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Wish you lived near me, because would have loved to see how you did your own suspension.
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Default Is the necessity of a special Kinematic Toe Tool just smoke and mirrors?

Originally Posted by samurai_k
Doing some suspension work and need to do an alignment. Does anyone have a KT guage I can borrow/rent from you?

Thanks!
Tell me if this is heresy?
Does the original poster really need the tool to set the Kinematic Toe?
In the shop manual, there is no specific absolute value for the Kinematic Toe settings. Just that the difference from left to right should be 1.5 units or less on the scale provided on the tool.
Seeing that there is no absolute value listed couldn't one put one of those inexpensive digital angle tools against the suspension arm involved and adjust things until they match and be done with it?
The digital scales are much more accurate than the bubble gauge on the tool. One could jounce the suspension a few time to understand the natural limitations of repeatability of the measurement in the process.

Others thoughts?
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I have a kinematic toe gauge. Let me know your address and I'll send it.



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I have a kinematic toe gauge. Let me know your address and I'll send it.



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Kudos and very generous of you, Andreas!
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Originally Posted by AOW162435
I have a kinematic toe gauge. Let me know your address and I'll send it.



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Awesome! Thank you so much!
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Originally Posted by samurai_k
Awesome! Thank you so much!
Certainly. Should be on your doorstep Saturday.



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Originally Posted by AOW162435
Certainly. Should be on your doorstep Saturday.



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No thanks! We live about an hour away from the center of Washington, D.C. That's close enough.



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Originally Posted by pp000830
Tell me if this is heresy?
Does the original poster really need the tool to set the Kinematic Toe?
In the shop manual, there is no specific absolute value for the Kinematic Toe settings. Just that the difference from left to right should be 1.5 units or less on the scale provided on the tool.
Seeing that there is no absolute value listed couldn't one put one of those inexpensive digital angle tools against the suspension arm involved and adjust things until they match and be done with it?
The digital scales are much more accurate than the bubble gauge on the tool. One could jounce the suspension a few time to understand the natural limitations of repeatability of the measurement in the process.

Others thoughts?
Andy





You are reading the wrong manual,
The info you posted is for the street cars and the standard shop KT tools, the OP wants to borrow a racing dept gauge that hangs from the rear caliper bolts, the spec is +3° 30' max and equal on both sides, There's a wide range of possible adjustment, closer to 0° speeds the reaction of the rear up, it gets increasingly nervous and edgy, closer to 3° 30' slows the rear end down and makes the car more stable

These are the factory shop tools for street cars, pretty useless, there are 2 versions original and an updated version, also useless


This is the race dept tool


In use, pretty slick and accurate, makes you wonder what the other ones were made for
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This is the tool I shipped: KT tool



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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
the factory shop tools for street cars, pretty useless, there are 2 versions original and an updated version, also useless
Why?
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Originally Posted by pp000830
Why?
Looking at both of the tools, the "why" question should be fairly obvious.

I don't see anything in the way of a bubble level indicating degrees and minutes on the street tool, Bill posted.


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