Oil Consumption '95 993
Hi Everyone:
I have a question about oil consumption, and I know that the issue has been discussed extensively here. However, I still can't find the answer to my specific question: I have a '95 C4 with 58k miles. No leaks, no major issues, runs great. Yet, every 400-700 miles it burns about a quart of oil. Is this normal? A Porsche dealership shop and an independent shop have confirmed that there are no leaks, or other issues. They say it's "normal". But is it? Thank You in advance for your comments. |
Are you certain that you (or someone else) is not overfilling? The ideal level for a 993 seems to be when the oil level gauge is at the 3:00 position - with the car properly warmed up, idling, and on a level surface. Andreas |
Originally Posted by AOW162435
(Post 15726244)
Are you certain that you (or someone else) is not overfilling? The ideal level for a 993 seems to be when the oil level gauge is at the 3:00 position - with the car properly warmed up, idling, and on a level surface. Andreas Not necessarily.... some cars are not calibrated properly. Look at your dipstick! |
Originally Posted by Gbos1
Not necessarily.... some cars are not calibrated properly. Look at your dipstick! |
Originally Posted by sp1965
Hi Everyone:
I have a question about oil consumption, and I know that the issue has been discussed extensively here. However, I still can't find the answer to my specific question: I have a '95 C4 with 58k miles. No leaks, no major issues, runs great. Yet, every 400-700 miles it burns about a quart of oil. Is this normal? A Porsche dealership shop and an independent shop have confirmed that there are no leaks, or other issues. They say it's "normal". But is it? Thank You in advance for your comments. |
Originally Posted by Gbos1
(Post 15726252)
Not necessarily.... some cars are not calibrated properly. Look at your dipstick! If I were you, I would warm up the car to normal operating temperatures and while on level ground, set my oil level at the low mark on the dipstick. Now drive the car for 1k miles and check it again at normal temps and level ground. Now, note how much oil is required to bring the level to the same lower mark on the dipstick, if any. This will tell you how much oil you're burning per thousand miles. The low mark is used to assure no oil is being ingested into the SAI system and giving a false indicator of oil being burned through sloppy valve guides and/or ill-sealing piston rings. |
Excessive Oil Consumption - Is another reason owners consider a top-end rebuild under the assumption that the valve guides are worn to the point that excessive oil is slipping past them and burning. The logic in this seems sound. Then again I recently ran across the following comment in the 993 Rennlist Forum in reply to an oil consumption concern:
“How full do you keep the oil tank? When I kept mine at the full level I'd go through easily a qt. per 600 miles, now I keep it at min - 1/4 I use barely a qt. every 2500 miles. Even now, after spirited driving, the oil can expand to over 1/2 full.” The implication here is that a true measure of a full oil tank is somewhat variable and overfilling may be contributing to the perception of excessive oil consumption where none may exist. Could burning the ingested oil over-fill over time explain the clogged secondary air injector ports, potentially a self-inflicted service issue caused by simply overfilling the oil? Who knows? I change my own oil. Here is the oil fill procedure I use today to address the whole overfill conundrum, use it at your own risk as I am not a professional automotive technician. If you have any concerns about aspects of the procedure contact a professional for their advice.
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Wouldnt it be normal for the temp gauge to be "HOT"! My apologies if I am experiencing a reading comprehension issue here. |
I have a 1995 C2 and it uses the same amount as yours does. 85k miles FYI. I keep the oil level on the bottom 1/4 of the dipstick. I flog the hell out of it as well lol.
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Ugh. A simple oil consumption question turns into an oil level thread. OP, I suggest searching past threads with oil or consumption in the title. You’ll find lots of discussion. |
OP most likely you have worn valve guides and your car needs the cylinder heads rebuilt. Very very common on 993's. There are some valve guide Truthers on this site who have never rebuilt a 993 engine and insist oil consumption is because people add too much oil to their cars. I wish that was the answer but sadly it is not.
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Originally Posted by Churchill
(Post 15727691)
OP most likely you have worn valve guides and your car needs the cylinder heads rebuilt. Very very common on 993's. There are some valve guide Truthers on this site who have never rebuilt a 993 engine and insist oil consumption is because people add too much oil to their cars. I wish that was the answer but sadly it is not.
If the car runns OK keep driving and wait with expensive rebuilds until the engine comunicates it's needs more directly! |
Originally Posted by Churchill
(Post 15727691)
OP most likely you have worn valve guides and your car needs the cylinder heads rebuilt. Very very common on 993's. There are some valve guide Truthers on this site who have never rebuilt a 993 engine and insist oil consumption is because people add too much oil to their cars. I wish that was the answer but sadly it is not.
Properly diagnose, then take action. I am not saying Porsche valve guide mat'l is the most robust, but there are other more logical and reasonable factors to consider, than jumping to unvalidated conclusions! This is precisely why the OP is receiving instruction on how to gage oil consumption, prior to making a silly, yet to be validated assumption. Its common engineering knowledge that properly applied and executed, Root Cause and Corrective Action principles, which are data driven, uncover far more than knee jerk reactions and words spewed forth from those whose livelihoods depend upon billable hours! NTSB investigators and engineers rely heavily upon RCCA, because airplanes fly and BIG money is involved. Unfortunately, cars dont fly and it takes a class action suit before money is spent to arrive at both root and contributing causes to a failure mode(s). Since cars don't fly, repair shops have a heyday with repairs, real or not, before understanding or even taking the time and definitely not the money to uncover a root cause. Not a single repair shop can produce data to validate a percentage rate of valve guide issues with regards to production numbers! Oh, and lets not forget that these vehicles are 21+ yrs in age. Please people, lets try to put things in their proper perspective before spewing forth little pellets of unvalidated informational candy, like an uncontrolled PEZ dispenser... |
Originally Posted by nine9six
(Post 15727544)
Wouldnt it be normal for the temp gauge to be "HOT"! My apologies if I am experiencing a reading comprehension issue here. Andy |
Originally Posted by nine9six
(Post 15727930)
Please people, lets try to put things in their proper perspective before spewing forth little pellets of candy like an uncontrolled PEZ dispenser...
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