Cold weather 993 C4S tire reco?
01-02-2019, 12:37 AM
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Cold weather 993 C4S tire reco?
I have recent Michelin A/S 3+ on a NB and love the ability to push the car hard in sub 40 degree weather.
They don't size them for the C4S on 8x10 18" stock wheels that I can tell.
My C4S has PZeros on which are, of course, rocks when cold so it sits.
I want to drive it whenever there's no snow/ice out there.
Any experience/recommendations for Widebody non-summer/non-track tires?
Thanks!
They don't size them for the C4S on 8x10 18" stock wheels that I can tell.
My C4S has PZeros on which are, of course, rocks when cold so it sits.
I want to drive it whenever there's no snow/ice out there.
Any experience/recommendations for Widebody non-summer/non-track tires?
Thanks!
01-03-2019, 11:14 PM
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I think for A/S 3+ you could go to 265/35 rear, that’s the size they recommend for winter tires, no reason it wouldn’t work for all-seasons.
Here’s a similar thread. https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...7-993-c4s.html
Here’s a similar thread. https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...7-993-c4s.html
01-03-2019, 11:26 PM
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I think for A/S 3+ you could go to 265/35 rear, that’s the size they recommend for winter tires, no reason it wouldn’t work for all-seasons.
Here’s a similar thread. https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...7-993-c4s.html
Here’s a similar thread. https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...7-993-c4s.html
I posted this thread around the time Costco had the one-day 25% off Michelin sale and 265s were sold out too so was hunting for an alternative. Gonna look into DWS06 per badabing as well.
AS3+ 265s showing in stock for the $70/off 4 plus free install.
I really like them on my Riv NB. The reviews are almost universally positive.
Last edited by LuftKopf; 01-03-2019 at 11:42 PM.
01-04-2019, 11:16 AM
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I’ve run both A/S+ and DWS06 and I prefer the Michelins for an all-season tire. They have stiffer sidewalls and feel sportier than the Continentals, both more responsive and higher outright grip. They aren’t quite as good in the worst snow and ice, but neither are fantastic in these types of conditions. For severe conditions it’s better to run a snowflake (severe snow service) tire or a true winter tire anyway.
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01-04-2019, 02:19 PM
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You’d be surprised how hard you can push on A/S 3+ on a cold road. Have you tried it?
Grip is lower than RE71r on a warm road, no doubt, but it is surprisingly good. Equivalent to a max performance tire from 10-15 years ago. I haven’t noticed any falloff in grip with lower temps on this tire, it just sticks and sticks. The only issue is when you hit snow and ice, where it still has reasonable grip but you have to be careful of course.
Grip is lower than RE71r on a warm road, no doubt, but it is surprisingly good. Equivalent to a max performance tire from 10-15 years ago. I haven’t noticed any falloff in grip with lower temps on this tire, it just sticks and sticks. The only issue is when you hit snow and ice, where it still has reasonable grip but you have to be careful of course.
01-05-2019, 02:06 AM
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That's the entire point. I don't want to be surprised.
I don't see any point in pushing a car in cold weather. Unless it doesn't start but the rear defroster still works to keep your hands warm as you are pushing.
PS. I know the laws of physics. Both from the books and autocrossing, including 40F weather. No. I will bet anything I own against a pet rock that a tire, any tire doesn't just "stick and stick" in a sub-40F weather. I could even explain why.
I don't see any point in pushing a car in cold weather. Unless it doesn't start but the rear defroster still works to keep your hands warm as you are pushing.
PS. I know the laws of physics. Both from the books and autocrossing, including 40F weather. No. I will bet anything I own against a pet rock that a tire, any tire doesn't just "stick and stick" in a sub-40F weather. I could even explain why.
01-05-2019, 10:52 AM
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On cold, dry roads it is possible to have a lot of fun. I haven’t gotten the car out this winter, but in past winters I’ve managed to drive every month. Modern tires are kind of magical. I remember the level of grip I’d get out of something like a Potenza S02 back in the day. An A/S 3+ will give you similar grip even in sub-freezing weather. I love my summer timers, but it is also fun to drive with a little less grip. You get to know the car better.
Below zero, things change. I haven’t had the Porsche out in sub-zero, but even in the Audi I can feel the tires start to behave differently when the weather gets truly cold.
I know east coast is a little different - more trafffic, more salt, the roads can be a mess in the winter, and you get far fewer dry, cold days.
Below zero, things change. I haven’t had the Porsche out in sub-zero, but even in the Audi I can feel the tires start to behave differently when the weather gets truly cold.
I know east coast is a little different - more trafffic, more salt, the roads can be a mess in the winter, and you get far fewer dry, cold days.
01-05-2019, 05:52 PM
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It's also possible to have unprotected sex in Liberia, or drink tap water in Tijuana, but I wouldn't. For the same reasons.
I also have very little understanding what "fun" on the street is for the last 20 years I've been getting my automotive adrenaline in a proper and controlled place. So, my opinion is, understandably, skewed.
PS. I'm in Miami for the winter On RE-71Rs. Scared s..less, quite honestly.
I also have very little understanding what "fun" on the street is for the last 20 years I've been getting my automotive adrenaline in a proper and controlled place. So, my opinion is, understandably, skewed.
PS. I'm in Miami for the winter On RE-71Rs. Scared s..less, quite honestly.
01-05-2019, 08:30 PM
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True. And each of us has risk tolerance/reward scale. In the case of cars and public roads, though it also often involves other people. OTOH, I'm probably judging everything from the height of a sub-2,100 lb car on Penskes and 275 Hoosiers on a 85F day. Anything short of that feels really loose to me. Heck, the 2,100 lb car often seems loose to me 
01-07-2019, 09:43 PM
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You’d be surprised how hard you can push on A/S 3+ on a cold road. Have you tried it?
Grip is lower than RE71r on a warm road, no doubt, but it is surprisingly good. Equivalent to a max performance tire from 10-15 years ago. I haven’t noticed any falloff in grip with lower temps on this tire, it just sticks and sticks. The only issue is when you hit snow and ice, where it still has reasonable grip but you have to be careful of course.
I also have very little understanding what "fun" on the street is for the last 20 years I've been getting my automotive adrenaline in a proper and controlled place. So, my opinion is, understandably, skewed.
PS. I'm in Miami for the winter On RE-71Rs. Scared s..less, quite honestly.
PS. I'm in Miami for the winter On RE-71Rs. Scared s..less, quite honestly.
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01-08-2019, 12:14 AM
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Cool that you track, but pulling into the twisties in fall, dry days in winter and early spring is the "fun" I'm referring to. Reckless it ain't. Reckless is running extreme summer tires in 20 degree weather. Check out the A/S 3+ if you haven't. The 71Rs in Florida should be fine, downpours aside.
I would say this. Extreme summer tires tend to adhere better than any other tire in any weather, pretty much, short of snow and ice. It's the difference between their warm weather performance and cold weather performance that's really a problem. People tend to lose track of that and continue rely on them like they did in the summer That's where it really can bite. .