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Old 12-17-2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LexVan
But, in the product description, I didn't see (I only scanned quickly) the word "leather" anywhere, so it seems you got what you ordered, and for only $178 is another clue.
I saw that too when I went back and looked, but c'mon, that is a lawyerly point. Porsche is selling this under the same part number as the leather original. It's fine to change the material and make the item less durable and less attractive. But not disclosing that, and letting the customer believe they're getting the original item, is misleading. I would think Porsche could treat its air-cooled customers a little better than that.
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I just went with this set up. Shift tray is from www.swineeleven.com (photo taken prior to cleaning up the rubber shift boot).

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Originally Posted by Churchill
I saw that too when I went back and looked, but c'mon, that is a lawyerly point. Porsche is selling this under the same part number as the leather original. It's fine to change the material and make the item less durable and less attractive. But not disclosing that, and letting the customer believe they're getting the original item, is misleading. I would think Porsche could treat its air-cooled customers a little better than that.

I'm 100% sure that they are made of leather but another quality than 20-25 years ago! Show us a picture of the back side of the leather, if it's not real it will be easy to spot from the inside!

Modern car leather is not what it used to be!

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My stick bought in November and made of real leather.

My old stick also made of leather!
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New one with it's box.
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^looks nice, the new "RS" lightweight version. They should probably charge extra for the light weight materials.
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Originally Posted by Railmaster.

My stick bought in November and made of real leather.

My old stick also made of leather!
Yea, but look at where your old ****'s edges were tucked under the console, its not shiny but matte.
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Yea, but look at where your old ****'s edges were tucked under the console, its not shiny but matte.
Sure, but not as matte as the new one, and a lot blacker!
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I would wager a small amount of money that the new ****/boot is vinyl, not leather. It really does not look or feel like leather. I could be wrong but I doubt it. It matters because vinyl is less durable than leather, and the shift **** gets touched (i.e. worn) every time you shift gears.
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Originally Posted by Churchill
I would wager a small amount of money that the new ****/boot is vinyl, not leather. It really does not look or feel like leather. I could be wrong but I doubt it. It matters because vinyl is less durable than leather, and the shift **** gets touched (i.e. worn) every time you shift gears.
Modern post 993 car leather is painted with thick vinyl paint so it is actually leather on the back side and vinyl on the outside! It is more or less useless to treat modern car leather vid care products simply because the vinyl will not soak in anything, unlike the leather in our 993s that soaks in the care products.

So in that aspect it is vinyl but it is backed with leather and called leather!
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It would be very easy to confirm if it’s leather or not by the texture of the underside. Vinyl typically has a cloth like appearance underneath, leather looks like a suede underneath. Post up a pic of the underside so we can see and it will help.

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Originally Posted by Railmaster.
Modern post 993 car leather is painted with thick vinyl paint so it is actually leather on the back side and vinyl on the outside! It is more or less useless to treat modern car leather vid care products simply because the vinyl will not soak in anything, unlike the leather in our 993s that soaks in the care products.

So in that aspect it is vinyl but it is backed with leather and called leather!
The leather on my 993 seats sure look painted to me as well. Its the standard leather. None of my leather is matte anymore, but the airbag cover is, and I assume that was the matte-ness level of the steering wheel when new?
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Originally Posted by Marine Blue
It would be very easy to confirm if it’s leather or not by the texture of the underside. Vinyl typically has a cloth like appearance underneath, leather looks like a suede underneath. Post up a pic of the underside so we can see and it will help.


That's what I did and it's leather at least on mine!
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20+ years ago, the independent boutique car maker Porsche often used the best materials available.

In 2018, VW, who owns Porsche now, always uses the cheapest possible products they can possibly get away with.

There's a reason people still pay outrageous amounts of money for these old used cars, and this is one of the main reasons. They were mostly built to a standard, not a price point



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