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Old 12-28-2017, 06:59 AM
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Porsche Classic shocks are just Bilstein B6 and B8, the Koni option seems to be popular with older gentlemen!
Old 12-28-2017, 07:43 AM
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Thank you for the “gentlemen”. Just wait, we all get older eventually.
I have Z rated tires and have new Rossos on order. Their is 2-3 month back order. No othe r options for 16” wheels.
Old 12-28-2017, 11:27 AM
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"Softest ride" in our cars is an oxymoron. Get contoured gel seat cushions, heated for the "older gentlemen", for < $100. Spend the $ saved for a hard tour to Zuffenhausen, beer, pretzels, wurst.
Old 12-28-2017, 12:04 PM
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From Tire Rack, other charts are available, shows relative changes in tire pressure based upon expected top speed. In my C4S, the plate says 36F/44R which is good for the expected top speed of approx. 180. I am never ever going to get the car to 180 in the US. I am always 2-5 pounds lower.
Old 12-28-2017, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 911PERVY
Porsche Classic shocks are just Bilstein B6 and B8
But is the valving the same? I would guess not.
Old 12-28-2017, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
But is the valving the same? I would guess not.
We just installed a set on a customer's car with OEM springs and they are NOT the same as B6/B8 ones.
Old 12-28-2017, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
We just installed a set on a customer's car with OEM springs and they are NOT the same as B6/B8 ones.
What are they like? Are they as harsh as the B6? What other shocks do they compare to?
Old 12-28-2017, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Railmaster.
+1 , The recomended tire pressure is specified for the car to be driven at maximum speed! If You drive like half of top speed You can lower the pressure!
I lowered the tire pressures as suggested and it is noticeable but still a harsh ride. I would not recommend the B6 HD to anyone.
Old 12-29-2017, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt Lane
No point in getting Pss10 to run in the softest setting and still be disappointed.
IMO, this sort of thinking is very misguided. The same applies to the notion of not wanting to pay for adjustability, because "that isn't something I need". One doesn't need to continually fiddle with the adjustments in order to realize the value that they bring to the table. There is no shame in setting them at the lowest damping and leaving them there, if that provides what you want from your suspension.

The beauty of the PSS10 system is that the valving is digressive, and the springs are matched to the valves. This is key to a good suspension system, which is why they ride so much better than the B6/B8 setup with whatever springs.

There aren't many alternatives to the PSS10 in this price range, KW comes to mind. If you want the ultimate, be prepared to spend a lot more.

Finally, my understanding is that the B6/B8s are not rebuildable. If this is true, I would avoid them.
Old 12-29-2017, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by P-daddy
Mac- I'd do a quick search and read up on endless suspension threads here. You'll discover that HDs are stiff regardless what springs you use. Some springs are more compliant than others. As mentioned before, if you want the softest possible, I recommend PSS10s. When set on 1 (1-10), the ride is soft and most comfortable of all the combos I've had on the 993s over the years. I've had PSS10s, HD/Eibach, HD/H&R, HD/M030, and Koni Sport w/adjustable dampening. I'm no suspension expert, but I speak from experience with these set-ups. Hope that was helpful.

As Quad mentioned, lower your psi will also help.
For softer and more comfortable ride, you would say the PSS10s are better (softer in the lowest set) over the Koni shocks? I'm looking to get a full set for my RoW 993tt which si stiff as a rock specially in the back and it's garbage suspension compared to my 993 Carrera with B6 HD and TechArt springs (and here the roads are terrible).

Thanks,
Old 12-29-2017, 10:39 AM
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At the risk of making a very simple recommendation, why not get the M033 kit with plain old Monroes? Quite a few years ago, I purchased a M033 kit for the '95 before the prices went ballistic and finally got around to installing same a couple of years ago. It gave me the Euro ride height and a nice, comfortable ride that I would gladly drive from here to Hell and back. It is "Dr. Jekyll" while the '98 C2S is "Mr. Hyde".
Old 12-29-2017, 10:48 AM
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Mac, I am glad there is some improvement with lowering the tire pressure. You say you are getting new tires, but you haven't answered the question on how old the tires you are running are. How old are they?
Old 12-29-2017, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NC TRACKRAT
At the risk of making a very simple recommendation, why not get the M033 kit with plain old Monroes? It gave me the Euro ride height and a nice, comfortable ride that I would gladly drive from here to Hell and back. It is "Dr. Jekyll" while the '98 C2S is "Mr. Hyde".
I did similar with M030 springs and shocks - done many a road trip, some for days and the wife's sensitive behind reckons it is the most comfortable car we've had for touring. For spirited driving it could do with being a fair bit stiffer and I am trying to figure out a new setup that will satisfy both. It will be a shame if I ruin the touring ride - wondering if throwing money at Ohlins could be the answer....
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Originally Posted by Macs993

What are they like? Are they as harsh as the B6? What other shocks do they compare to?
I didn't like them at all, too harsh on anything but glass-smooth roads and it felt unsettled in transitions. For me, they had the typical problem of too much bump valving and insufficient rebound valving.

For best ride quality, I'd use the OEM Monroes with stock springs and accept their limited lifespan as part of the compromise.
Old 12-29-2017, 12:03 PM
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Old 6+ years. I also have 17” wheels with new Michelin and still rides harsh. Tires cannot make up for this harshness. I don’t think the B6 is a shock absorber; it is just a shock when you hit even typical road deformities; they don’t appear to absorb much impact.

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