Martin S.

Good news guys and gals: Gert will be selling the 993RS suspension sometime next year. If you want to do it right, you will need all the hard rubber bushings as well as the Evo uprights. This should be interesting; I can hardly wait to see the package.

Nol, 95 993 C4

[quote]Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong> The only questions are if it is complete and if it is too low to be usable.

Is there ANY negative aspect to the RS suspension in terms of drivability, service, resale, etc.?

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DC, please can you post results of your quest on what actually makes up this "RS" suspension (completeness)? It makes a huge difference if the monoballs, Bilsteins and uprights are installed or whether it is just RS springs and bars on an otherwise stock set-up.

FWIW I am in doubt about a monoball set-up myself. I was talking about it to a friend, who owned a (Euro) 964 RS. He loved the car to bits, especially on track days, but he did sell it in the end. He simply could not live with the harshness and accompanying road noise of the RS suspension on a day to day basis. YMMV but that was on 17" wheels I believe.

But then there was a 3-way test of 911RS, 964RS and 993RS in Classic & Sportscar a while ago. That rated the 964 stiffer and more of a "track only" set-up compared to the 993RS.

About service, the Bilsteins have a reputation on this board for superior durability, and you can actually service them. That to me would be one of the reasons for going this route.

And about many of your questions, e.g. the ride height, do you intend to drive this car before you buy it? It should be the obvious thing ....

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Nol

speedster 94

hallo Gert
Sorry for you , but the original RS Shocks are Green and made by Bilstein . The Springs are Black
with a Yellow Dot ( 504 ).
Harald

Gert

[quote]Originally posted by speedster 94:
[QB]hallo Gert
Sorry for you , but the original RS Shocks are Green and made by Bilstein . QB]<hr></blockquote>

If you order the 993 RS shocks as oem parts from Porsche, this is what you'll get.




Maybe the ones that once were installed by the factory on the 993RS had different colors?

Chris C.

Doug:

Hank Cohn on this board has the RS suspension on his RS conversion street car. I have ridden in it and find it to be as stiff as you'd likely want to go for a street car but fine if you like a true sports car ride (I do). The only drawback is that the car may "buck" a little over uneven pavement.

Hank also reports (check the archives) that it is likely the best street track combo, and he has had at least 4 setups on his street 993s as I remember.

The ride height is low for the street so you will need to be careful. You may find the RS alignment setting will cause uneven wear, but if you drive hard you're only getting 6-8K on the rears anyway.

DC from Cape Cod

Thanks everyone...

I was told that this was like the M030 but .75" lower.....it sounds like it is quite a bit lower than that, quite rough and perhaps too aggressive for a street-only car.

I appreciate the help...better to verify now than regret later.

JC in NY

I set my car to Carrera RS rideheight. Here is what it looks like. You may find it too low if you like to blast over dips and ramps, but remember it is a street height so it can't be un-usable.

Nol, 95 993 C4

DC, two more comments:
Firstly, say the car had bog standard factory shocks & springs, you'd buy it no worries. And then you decide you need new shocks because the factory ones are worn out. And while you are at it, you fit lowering springs. The work to remove the RS bits on this car (if it is indeed too harsh) is not all that different then what you could expect to do to a "stock" example. And you get to sell some RS bits to help fund the project, heck just the adjustable RS bars are about 1k from Gert.

Secondly, drive the d***n thing and see if you like it. If it is the right colour, options, condition, checks out on PPI, price etc. then considering the above the RS bits need not be a problem. I guess there's a few guys here on the list interested in used RS parts.

BTW did you verify the car has the full RS supsension or just springs and bars?

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Nol

DC from Cape Cod

It just has springs/bars.

I decided to pass due to a few factors....concerns over the ride height, concerns over non-oem suspension, etc.

I am paying top dollar for a perfect 98 C2S and I just wasn't comfortable compromising my expectations. This is NOT to say that there was anything wrong with the car or the parties concerned - they were all top-notch. It just wasn't the right car for me.

Nol, 95 993 C4

Good luck with the hunt.

Nol

Greg Fishman

[quote]Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong>It just has springs/bars.

I decided to pass due to a few factors....concerns over the ride height, concerns over non-oem suspension, etc.

I am paying top dollar for a perfect 98 C2S and I just wasn't comfortable compromising my expectations. This is NOT to say that there was anything wrong with the car or the parties concerned - they were all top-notch. It just wasn't the right car for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wow! You are really turning down buying a "perfect" car just because it has a non-stock suspension, most will consider this an upgrade. I will give you my old Monroe POS stock shocks if that would make you happy. I can almost guarantee any stock suspensioned car with over 20K miles has worn out shocks. To adjust the ride height all you need is to have the car re-corner balanced at a higher ride height and re-aligned, no big deal at all. Make the deal contingent on him setting the car to ROW M030 specs.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

I agree with Greg here Doug. I know these things are emotional purchases, but wow. spend an extra $1500 later to buy the RS shocks from Gert and have them put on with a proper alignment with ride heigt set to your desired height and you would have one of the baddest 993s on the street. I would kill to have that suspension.

E. J.

DC from Cape Cod

I passed because I wanted to start with a completely clean slate. I am getting completely different infomation about the RS stuff on the car depending on who I ask and it is muddying the waters (i.e. confusing the hell out of me) to the point where I am going for just the M030.

I've been told that the RS springs are adjustable/are not adjustable.

I've been told that the ride height is 2" lower/.5" lower.

I've been told that the full RS setup includes monoballs and struts/that it doesn't include these items.

I will willing admit that I am new to this aspect and almost completely ignorant about non-OEM suspensions......but I have to meet my own comfort level when i am spending this much for a C2S (not a Turbo).

DCLee

DC--

Relax. There is ample reason for confusion about the RS suspension. I suspect one reason may be that there were different configurations possible, depending on whether you ordered a RS Touring, a RS Clubsport, a RS with a Supercup suspension, or an RS with the RSR suspension. I have the RSR Bilsteins on my RS conversion. They are green, not yellow as in Gert's pic. These are all-out racing struts that, as Steve Weiner said, will give you a ride height that is nearly 2-in. lower than stock--you have to be prepared for this because the shock bodies are quite short. The RSR struts were designed for very stiff springs--upwards of 1,400 lbs. Mine are detuned a bit, spring-rate wise. You probably need the spherical-bearing top strut mounts to go with these, but I suppose some people left them off. You can source this part in the U.S. The GT2 Evo hub carriers are an option off the race cars. The RSR Bilsteins are not adjustable. I run double-stacked Eibach ERS springs with mine, but some people swap out for a single spring, such as the Hypercoil. These are very nice heavy-duty struts for serious track performance, but obviously don't feature the technology we see today with, say, $9,000 Sachs Racing nitrogen-charged shocks or similar units from Moton, Ohlins, JRZ, etc.

Hope this helps...

Lee in D.C.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

[quote]Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong>I passed because I wanted to start with a completely clean slate. I am getting completely different infomation about the RS stuff on the car depending on who I ask and it is muddying the waters (i.e. confusing the hell out of me) to the point where I am going for just the M030.

I've been told that the RS springs are adjustable/are not adjustable.

I've been told that the ride height is 2" lower/.5" lower.

I've been told that the full RS setup includes monoballs and struts/that it doesn't include these items.

I will willing admit that I am new to this aspect and almost completely ignorant about non-OEM suspensions......but I have to meet my own comfort level when i am spending this much for a C2S (not a Turbo).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay Doug, take a deep breath. Here is some info, take it for what it is.

Springs cannot be adjustable. The ride height can be adjusted if you have coil over springs with adjustable perches. Most suspensions that you encounter with our cars will have this. THis is also how you adjust your ride height up and down - no biggie, its part of the alingment.

The camber plates shouldn't matter, you can always add them later if you want, but if you are not a dedicated track junkie, then you won't need them. The RS shocks can be added by you at any time. I would recommend this so that your springs, shocks and sway bars all match. It should be about $2000 for the set from Gert. Then have an alignment done to your specs including the ride height you want and you are good to go with one of the best street/track suspensions available for our cars.

Bottom line, this is NO REASON not to buy a car. The RS setup is head and shoulders above the 030 suspension, its not even funny. Don't get overwhelmed with the details. Have fun,

E. J.