goofballdeluxe

Exactly this.

Since IB's acquisition, it looks like the focus is mostly on making sure the money train keeps moving, and truth and/or the spirit of what originally made Rennlist so special and fantastic, is just an afterthought at best.

Although Mark, who is a moderator, insists otherwise, it sure feels like there is lots of kowtowing to the sponsors/dealers, especially in For Sale ads. I've see lots of truthful comments posted there that are in the members' best interest taken down by moderators, (perhaps at the dealers' behest?), because hey, the dealers are the sponsors, the sponsors are the money, and clearly, money overrides truth and what's in the members' best interest these days.

Oh well. It was great while it lasted.

Mark in Baltimore

Give it a rest, Philip. Please.

Comments in private sellers' For Sale threads are curtailed, so it's not not just dealers' threads. Pretty sure I communicated this to you, but here it is again:

IB has not given any standing orders to protect sponsors. Period.

People need to leave sellers' threads alone (unless there is verifiable misrepresentation). Don't like the price, color, options, etc.? Feel free to start another thread outside of the seller's thread in the tech forums. No one is stopping you from discussing The Truth in this manner.

Too many people have complained about the peanut gallery constantly taking potshots in sellers' threads, so this is the method that's being used.

Don't believe me? Please feel free to contact Bob Rouleau, 911SLOW or even John D.

ace10

Why does RL allow favorable pricing comments in the FS threads?


Either pricing comments are OK or they are not. As it stands now, there is an obvious pro-seller bias.

goofballdeluxe

Ay caramba...! Earlier in this thread, you said to "feel free to criticize IB all we want" and now you want me to "give it a rest"

Mark, I'm not trying to be a pain, but, clearly, I'm not the only one who perceives that the way things are handled here lately makes it look like there is an unfair bias towards sponsors/sellers at the expense of what is in the best interest of the members

Mark in Baltimore

There is no "gotcha" here. I said "feel free to criticize IB all you want." Guess what? The mods are not IB.

More differences:

1) The mods did not roll out Classic Next Gen; IB did. 2) IB did not give orders to protect sellers, private or dealers; this was a mod change.

I know some people just love criticizing/commenting in the For Sale threads. The problem is that the For Sale threads become a sh*t show. If people keep it up, the classifieds will be changed to a Pelican-style format so that only sellers can respond.

Lastly, this is also a matter of being polite. John D. has written about it, and 911SLOW has written about it. If you were to sell something, would you want a dog pile from people who have no intention of buying your item?

goofballdeluxe

Of course not.

But "polite" is subjective.

For example, Rennlist now deems it impolite to add a link to, say, a dealer's For Sale ad showing the exact same car for tens of thousands of dollars less elsewhere, which is clearly in the members best interest. No pot shots, just a better deal elsewhere.

Now, that would definitely be construed as polite to the prospective buyer, who sees he can get the exact same car elsewhere and save thousands.

And, I know some might call this a stretch, but it could also be construed as polite to the prospective seller as well, who is now informed he's priced his car above market value and now doesn't have to waste his time over the next month simply bumping his ad to the top over and over and over and over again for a car that won't sell at that price, which happens now all the time in the For Sale section.

I don't comment on For Sale ads anymore, but perhaps a change to a Pelican style format would be best, since favorable pricing comments are as useless as criticisms are, and create a perception of a pro-seller bias on this site, as someone else pointed out.

Anyway, it's not my site; you guys can set whatever rules you want. And the rules you set, and how they are enforced, or not, will shape the perception of the members.

Thanks for moderating Mark. As I've said to you, it's a thankless job, so thanks again

ace10

So how does an interested party know when the "GREAT PRICE !!1!!!!1!11" comments, which are clearly intended to influence buyers, are simply well wishers versus coming from a shill?

There's one FS in particular that I can recall where a car is listed by a consignment dealer. The owner repeatedly posts in that thread with comments. Yet, to the best of my recollection, doesn't disclose their ownership interest each and every time.

Or how about buddies who simply cheerlead in FS threads over and over? This happens every day.

Price discussion is either taboo or it isn't. To me, it's a black and white issue.

il pirata

A shill implies that the person is secretly working for the other person. Not sure there is much of that going on.

In this case this one could report this to the moderators and let us investigate.

And to others it's a grey area. Pelican allows no comments. Early 911 Registry allows every comment, but the forum there is much smaller and much easier for the "resident" experts to police.

The Great American 993s for Sale + Price Discussion Thread is a good resource for perspective buyers as are a number of other options.

nile13

Gentlemen, back on topic, por favor? Is there anything from IB or are they simply ignoring the issue of UI here?

il pirata

We where told to expect something back this week...I know it's Thursday.

nine9six

Do the moderators have an inside track to IB in order to promote the members documented preference?

nile13

Thanks, Bob! If you could please report here what they do, if anything?

il pirata

Mark or I will be glad to advise whatever we hear.

il pirata

We do have access to IB staff, not sure I would call it an inside track. In any case we do try to present member views when given the chance, although obviously we have differing views among the members!

NCporsche

Please duplicate these updates in any of the numerous IB bitch threads in OT (or at least the latest one for that week).