2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
11-20-2018, 03:58 PM
#3616
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Agreed. I love my T, but Porsche could/should have gone a step further... More weight reduction to give a more raw/analogue experience. Lighter weight and more stripped down. Engine from 991.1 C2 and the 6-speed manual box. Manual windows and seats. Smaller wheels. Bingo.
11-20-2018, 05:30 PM
#3617
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Saw a new yellow 992 escorted by two black Cayennes on a backroad just outside Scottsdale. They were on Rio Verde, going south Forest Road towards the city of Fountain Hills. I was going on the opposite direction and saw the LED from the PDLS headlights from afar... but when we crossed I noticed that in fact it was the new model (the back of the car is unmistakable)... the two Cayennes had a lot of antennas... not sure where they were heading and what they were doing there... because it is the middle of nowhere... Sunday at 1:30pm-ish. Sadly, I was not able to take any pictures... Cheers!
11-20-2018, 06:24 PM
#3618
Totally agree. The current T is more than a fun optioned base car. It has its own flavor due to the way is is configured and its rear end ratio. Then again, more raw may mean less actual performance. It think that a problem is that taking significant weight out and raising HP would cost $$ and the market might be too limited to make it worth while. That is, it is unclear that there is a significant market for a real "junior GT3" given the price/performance distance to a GT3. Modern production tech allows astounding variety, and modern analysis tech allows equally astounding profit maximization!
They could have easily made the T more raw.
11-20-2018, 07:09 PM
#3619
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The PCM screen has to be there anyway for regulatory reasons (backup camera), although I suppose they could show it in the gauge cluster and leave the console empty. It would be nice if it were easy to remove/reinstall the back seats; that seems like some low-hanging fruit that hasn't been picked yet. Most of the remaining weight-reduction opportunities are hopelessly constrained by regulation.
You can already opt out of PASM, PDCC, RWS, and similar tech features that add significant weight, no new model required. Meanwhile, removing things like interior door handles is just an insult to the intelligence, sort of like the manual top on the Spyder that saves like 20 pounds over a perfectly-engineered automatic top.
Better to encourage the company to build the best road car they can. Nothing you can do to a road car will make a great track car, and nothing you can do to a track car will make a great road car.
11-20-2018, 07:19 PM
#3620
Why not a Turbo R? 20 more hp, power, sunroof delete, PCCB's, GT3 suspension, strap door handles, Cup 2 tires and even different graphics/colors. They would sell a lot of them! I'd buy one!
11-20-2018, 07:51 PM
#3621
11-20-2018, 08:57 PM
#3622
Few of those things weigh very much. Your cell phone has a GPS receiver in it, and plenty of watches do too.
The PCM screen has to be there anyway for regulatory reasons (backup camera), although I suppose they could show it in the gauge cluster and leave the console empty. It would be nice if it were easy to remove/reinstall the back seats; that seems like some low-hanging fruit that hasn't been picked yet. Most of the remaining weight-reduction opportunities are hopelessly constrained by regulation.
You can already opt out of PASM, PDCC, RWS, and similar tech features that add significant weight, no new model required. Meanwhile, removing things like interior door handles is just an insult to the intelligence, sort of like the manual top on the Spyder that saves like 20 pounds over a perfectly-engineered automatic top.
Better to encourage the company to build the best road car they can. Nothing you can do to a road car will make a great track car, and nothing you can do to a track car will make a great road car.
The PCM screen has to be there anyway for regulatory reasons (backup camera), although I suppose they could show it in the gauge cluster and leave the console empty. It would be nice if it were easy to remove/reinstall the back seats; that seems like some low-hanging fruit that hasn't been picked yet. Most of the remaining weight-reduction opportunities are hopelessly constrained by regulation.
You can already opt out of PASM, PDCC, RWS, and similar tech features that add significant weight, no new model required. Meanwhile, removing things like interior door handles is just an insult to the intelligence, sort of like the manual top on the Spyder that saves like 20 pounds over a perfectly-engineered automatic top.
Better to encourage the company to build the best road car they can. Nothing you can do to a road car will make a great track car, and nothing you can do to a track car will make a great road car.
As for making the car more raw, they could offer solid aluminum engine/trans mounts for those of us that enjoy some NVH.
11-20-2018, 09:15 PM
#3623
11-20-2018, 10:22 PM
#3624
11-20-2018, 10:32 PM
#3625
11-20-2018, 11:45 PM
#3626
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Still waiting for a Porsche version of the lotus Exige. Make mine cup430 flavor please.
GT3 is as “raw” as it gets for a new Porsche, but it still has way too much stuff for my needs. I was a bit miffed my lotus both had power windows.
GT3 cup style interior would be fine with me. Don’t stop at sound deadening, get rid of the carpet entirely and the headliner should be an unpadded single sheet of alcantara (on lotus they would fall off so we can just skip the headlining entirely). Who needs a glove box and a lower dash? Serves no real purpose. Ditch the cage, throw LWBs and a couple airbags to make the feds happy in this and I am happy.
AMEN!!!
11-21-2018, 12:55 AM
#3628
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GT3 is as “raw” as it gets for a new Porsche, but it still has way too much stuff for my needs. I was a bit miffed my lotus both had power windows.
GT3 cup style interior would be fine with me. Don’t stop at sound deadening, get rid of the carpet entirely and the headliner should be an unpadded single sheet of alcantara (on lotus they would fall off so we can just skip the headlining entirely). Who needs a glove box and a lower dash? Serves no real purpose. Ditch the cage, throw LWBs and a couple airbags to make the feds happy in this and I am happy.
GT3 cup style interior would be fine with me. Don’t stop at sound deadening, get rid of the carpet entirely and the headliner should be an unpadded single sheet of alcantara (on lotus they would fall off so we can just skip the headlining entirely). Who needs a glove box and a lower dash? Serves no real purpose. Ditch the cage, throw LWBs and a couple airbags to make the feds happy in this and I am happy.
Nothing stopping you from converting your car to a GT3 Cup interior although it would be cool if Porsche offered a "Cup" spec to the GT/T models. The 911 needs more variants!!!!
11-21-2018, 01:12 AM
#3629
ICE to me is about PURE emotion now. If you don't get an emotional, visceral connection out of your ICE car, then soon enough, you'll be asking yourself "what's the point?"
I would buy low tech, light weight, no options type vehicles brand new. Look at all the buzz the new Suzuki Jimny is getting and the success of the Jeep Wrangler. Heck, Land Rover sold defenders until a couple years ago with good success and that was a 35 year old design (arguably a 58 year old design). SUV’s like sportscars are lifestyle vehicles and, sure, you see loaded range rovers and G-wagens, but there is a distinct market for low tech old school and demand is high.
11-21-2018, 02:09 AM
#3630
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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I do put my money where my mouth is. Set aside the air cooled, lotus and Land Rover addictions. A couple years ago I bought a 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual tacoma. Utility package (rear seat delete, black plastic, no rear slider). I saw the writing on the wall that it was not long for this world, sure enough, 2018, no more 4 cylinder 5 speed and they all got the some fancy pedestrian/accident avoidance cruise control abomination. Thats crazy to me because Toyota trucks were the 4 banger manual. And the 2.7 is like the last non-direct injection NA engine sold. The drivetrain is a 25 plus year old design and is pretty much indestructible. Hopefully the 4.0 in the GT3 is 1/4 as durable. And hopefully Porsche keeps the 992 GT3 as pure as it can be.
Last edited by evilfij; 11-21-2018 at 02:26 AM.