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Old 10-14-2018, 12:48 PM
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The interior quality will be no better or no worse than the new Cayenne or Panamera. Not sure what all the drama is about?

I think with the newer spy shots, we know what it will look like pretty much.
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Old 10-14-2018, 12:52 PM
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And I hope it goes mid-engine like the 911 RSR. I offer no predictions on the collector/flipper aspect and the collective whining would be truly epic.


For those not in the know:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...rank-walliser/

No reason for 992 GT3 not to have engine little more forward. it's not like GT3 has back seat anyways.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
The interior quality will be no better or no worse than the new Cayenne or Panamera. Not sure what all the drama is about?

I think with the newer spy shots, we know what it will look like pretty much.
Agree. I don't see an issue with interior quality. Panamera interior quality is slightly better than our current 991.

I do share the perspective that the interior design is a bit weak, compared with cars like say the Mercedes AMG-GT. However Porsche interior designs have never been great.


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Old 10-14-2018, 01:37 PM
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Overall, there is a general move to more cost savings materials. For example, the 991.2 sport steering wheels aren't as great quality than the .1's. More plastic and more lightweight. You tap it with your finger and can even tell.

The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.

My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.

The thing is, technology is changing so quick these days that the tech on these cars will all age pretty quickly.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
Overall, there is a general move to more cost savings materials. For example, the 991.2 sport steering wheels aren't as great quality than the .1's. More plastic and more lightweight. You tap it with your finger and can even tell.

The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.

My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.
Do you think we'll get a 912 if the Cayman dies?

I have a rather sacrilegious theory on the potential for a 912.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:45 PM
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Do you think we'll get a 912 if the Cayman dies?

I have a rather sacrilegious theory on the potential for a 912.

Seems like the 718 is doing better sales wise after getting off to a slower start.

There will be no "entry level" 911 I believe. Seems like the Base Carrera cannibalized S/4S sales enough on the 991.2 hence the bigger gap in HP between them for 992. The BASE Carrera serves that purpose. Doubt we'll ever see a 4 banger 911, even though they were thinking about it at one point.
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
Seems like the 718 is doing better sales wise after getting off to a slower start.

There will be no "entry level" 911 I believe. Seems like the Base Carrera cannibalized S/4S sales enough on the 991.2 hence the bigger gap in HP between them for 992. The BASE Carrera serves that purpose. Doubt we'll ever see a 4 banger 911, even though they were thinking about it at one point.
I'm wondering if his sacrilegious theory is that the 912 will reappear as the hybrid or all EV version of the Carrera?
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Old 10-14-2018, 03:52 PM
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I'm wondering if his sacrilegious theory is that the 912 will reappear as the hybrid or all EV version of the Carrera?
I'd rather them put a 300HP inline 4 in the back of a 911 than build a hybrid.

In fact, for a $67k base Cayman price it'd make a compelling daily, rear seats being a big part of that.
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Old 10-14-2018, 06:59 PM
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curious why everyone seems so against a hybrid 911. Won't it just provide better power, especially down low?

Aside from a problematic weight gain, I could see hybrid power being a good thing.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Thinc2 View Post
curious why everyone seems so against a hybrid 911. Won't it just provide better power, especially down low?

Aside from a problematic weight gain, I could see hybrid power being a good thing.
Well nobody's made a manual hybrid, so automatic only = not a sports car.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:24 PM
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Well nobody's made a manual hybrid, so automatic only = not a sports car.
And 918s and 919s are limos?
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Thinc2 View Post
curious why everyone seems so against a hybrid 911. Won't it just provide better power, especially down low?

Aside from a problematic weight gain, I could see hybrid power being a good thing.
If the hybrid 911 turns out anything like the Turbo Hybrid Panamera I drove at a Porsche track event, the power boost from the electric motor will be linear and seamless low down, midrange and top end. You have to drive one to have a clue of what is to come. It is a totally different feel, like the turbos have turbos.

But I suspect that the weight penalty with today's battery technology is likely to mean it will be reserved for the highest end Turbo/Turbo "GT" type models, even if they continue to outperform what Porsche markets as "puristic".

So I wouldn't expect to see a hybrid option - or want it- in a "T" (manual or PDK), which has its own special feel and performance and appeal to be very good option.
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AMG GT interior, nice materials, but the stuck on iPad thing is crap
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckbdc View Post
And 918s and 919s are limos?
The 918,19 are million+ outliers. The vast majority of sport hybrids are in the weight class of a Dodge Challenger. Porsche's 91x cars are also freakishly complex, and heavier than a dual clutched or sequential version would be.
The weight, complexity, and short lifespan of batteries are all big detractors. That's all before you get into the lack of MTs, which cripples driver involvement.

In an age when speed is cheap, light weight and connection rule.
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Originally Posted by Dewinator View Post
Well nobody's made a manual hybrid, so automatic only = not a sports car.
There's no technical reason at all that a hybrid can't have a manual. It still has a gearbox for the ICE engine. No reason the gearbox HAS to be a non-manual.

On the flip-side, manuals in Porsche's sports cars are what? Maybe 25% of production? At best?

I would not be shocked if hybrid Porsche Sports Cars are not offered with manuals.

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AMG GT interior, nice materials, but the stuck on iPad thing is crap
Yup. iPad(-like) screen stuck on top of the dash is an instant turn off.

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