Freddie Two Bs

I'd like to join that event next time. Can you share some more info?

RRDnA

ah OK, we, in effect sign a contract - I realise thats a big ask for sight unseen.

RRDnA

If you're in Australia - I can help out - please PM me, the snakes bite, I don't

Dewinator

Argon_

That's a good way to sum it up.

Disappointing for me cause I've always liked A-A biased cars, even for A-B duty.

It's a 1 sum game. To gain one attribute you must diminish another. Most cars don't get anywhere near adding to 1. The 911 always has.

Just a shame that the obtainable ones are moving so far to luxury.

Freddie Two Bs

I think you partially have a point, but that trend dates back almost 30 years. The 964 was more bourgeois than the 3.2, and the 993 a tad more than the 964 and so forth. At the same time the newer generations have pretty much always been praised as better drivers cars, too, not just better point A to point B. So I think we'll likely be ok. I reckon 911s will die of electric death before they become too pussified.

Argon_

The economics of gas will keep it going a good while longer. Remember that when EVs have a 30 percent market share, the current ridiculous subsidies will be infeasible. They'll go back to being expensive.

On the other hand, gassers will be cheap.

JF22

Freddie Two Bs

Looks like it makes the rocking world go round . I like it a lot (though?).

tgcrun

Now that's a good looking back end.

captainkirk

I love the new exhaust look. I hope that is with the PSE option (I am so hoping it is so).

Archimedes

You're joking right?

That looks horrible. Is that real or just a rendering?

K-A

Now we cycle back into this. China centric 911's nor sales benefit the U.S. In fact, the opposite. This is my entire point and reasoning for expressing frustration re: their not catering to clear U.S market desires, when the writing couldn't be any clearer on the wall.

Patting Porsche on the back for increasing allocations and market preferences to the China while U.S 2 door P Car sales keep spiraling (yes, 2017 911 sales tied with 2016 sales, which were already considerably down from previous years.. which is not a good thing as the popular GT3 was factored into 2017 sales) is counter productive. For us.

But, I guess you're in AUS and I have no idea how that market looks.

Funny, as there was a member named RANDR who shares a lot of your preferences and opinions, and was also completely track-centric. He was banned. He tried starting a "RANDR 2" profile, which was also banned. RRDNA is "RANDR" with the last 4 letters reversed, and you're both from Australia. Quite a coincidence. If you ever run into him, say hi for us.

RRDnA

Funny that. I guess he decided not to come back - whereas you did.

The world stops for no man and Porsche continues to evolve.

Many of us like that evolution and appreciate the range of performance now on offer and recognise that the 992 will build on that. I like driving the pants of my Porsches, they are a great experience if you how how to drive them hard. I happen to enjoy that in well controlled safe environments where you can drive to the max with limited risk to oneself and ones vehicle (Professionally run track events and multi-day closed road events).

Interestingly I don't have a "completely" track centric view - However, I would point out that experience allows me to understand a vehicles capability and where its weaknesses lay - in great detail. It also generates a lot of data, which is useful to those that understand it.

I am very interested in the array of changes to the 992 and what that means for performance, drivability and livability. I am interested in the future and what that may mean for the next gen GT3- I think, based on the performance of the 991.2 GTS that the 992GT3 will be spectacularly good.

Also have money down on the GT4, so potentially best of both worlds - sounds like a great plan to me

K-A

Lol. Sure.

I'd guess well over 90% of 911 drivers don't participate in track events, so don't relate to your angle of viewpoint. A lot of newer cars require you to push them to their limits, in order to feel anything. This is exactly what 911 buyer data in the U.S signifies 911 buyers don't want, hence why every "purist" 911 gets bid up tens of thousands of dollars with waiting lists that render them nearly unobtainable, and why sports car sales in general keep declining (why buy a small car that has the isolation and luxury of a sedan, when a sedan can bring in similar numbers and feel barely less visceral?).

What you call "evolve," others will call "devolve." I can make a bet right now that the 992 will be the worst selling 911 generation in U.S history, but I don't want to bet on something I'm rooting against (I want it to fulfill the elements that made previous 911's so legendary, therefore do well). To me, the 718 are big steps backwards, despite better on paper performance, and sales reflect that. If the 992 Carrera feels as coddling and techy as an M5, while underperforming an M5 (again, NOT TRACK, most buyers don't care about track as much as daily commutes and backroads), sacrificing space, and costing more, what's the point? I know what USED to be the point: A raw, exotic, raucous engagement. But without that, you essentially have a sports car made to feel like a sedan, therefore giving up the argument to buy a sports car. No coincidence, as when this "China centric" downsized/isolated/refined/tech-heavy trend started within the sports car world, sports car sales started to decline heavily in the States.

And "evolve" in the car world is becoming an irrelevant term now, unless we're talking environmentally. Porsche has explicitly stated that their moves, from new engines to EV's are due to regulations. Engineers, boardrooms, and politicians are rarely, if ever, in agenda unison. Consumer demand isn't shifting the automotive market as much as positioning for the mandatory transportation revolution.