LavaGTS

Might as well call it an Audi at this point.

Argon_

Which happens to be the very antithesis of the EV life cycle.

If you want a long service life, a big V8 making low HP is how you do it. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...-700000-miles/

EVs live short, quickly declining lives that end with 1/3 of their original range. The battery is a massive fraction of total cost.

TaaS and EVs have conflicting characteristics.

worf928

Don't confuse the two issues: automated driving with increasing limitations on manual operation have little to do with electrification.

Further, your observations support my thesis that these two often intertwined, but distinct issues of automated driving and the push for banning ICEs will disrupt automotive engineering in the coming decades.

Noah Fect

Exactly. You have to be willing to knife your own baby, because the competition won't hesitate to. Porsche's success is due largely to the lack of effective competition for their cars... but will that last another 50 years, though the upheaval that the industry is about to go through?

Apple is another company in that position. The iPod was their '911' for many years. It was an icon that defined the company in the eyes of their most important customers (read: the young, affluent ones). When they realized that smartphones were coming, they understood that the iPod had to die to make room for something better. They committed themselves to developing that product.

Porsche tried to do the same thing at one point, back in the 80s, and everybody yelled at them. Overcoming your own successes can be harder to do than overcoming your failures...

Fleet managers would be as happy as a muddy pig in the sunshine if they didn't have to own depreciating assets.

So will most drivers.

simplex

So how did that work out when Porsche tried to make the 928 its flagship in place of the 911, pray tell me?

Argon_

Peter Schutz set them straight.

hlvg

So, back to the 992, when do folks reckon the 992 GT3 would come out? GT3 RS one year later?
I remember seeing an hypothetical calendar somewhere (maybe on this thread) but can't find it...

Dewinator

subshooter

Post 886 on this thread: No mention of GT3 - that is speculation which we could take a good guess on based on past experience. Source article: http://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsches-reinvention/


• October 2018: Carrera 2S and Carrera 4S coupés revealed, with first customer deliveries February 2019.

• January 2019: Carrera 2S and Carrera 4S cabriolet unveiled, with cars, cars in dealers from April.

• April 2019: Entry-level Carrera 2/4 in coupé and convertible form launched, with sales starting July.

• September 2019: 911 turbo coupé and Carrera 2/4 GTS unveiled, and will be on sale from February 2020.

STG

GT3 like 2 years after first Carrera 992 released.

-Ryan-

So if you compare that to the 991 rollout.

2019.5 Carrera
2021 GT3
2022 GT3RS

That's if we aren't all traveling by electric, autonomous, 3rd Party owned George Jetson vehicles by then.

STG

Said it once, I'll say it again .... I think they seem to be moving ALOT quicker than market demand. Throw a big downturn in the economy or a global recession, throw all this nonsense off the table and companies like Porsche will be screwed and left sitting in a sinking ship.

Also ..... the segments they're competing in with the other models and diluted sports cars are ALOT more competitive and they are quickly pricing themselves out of the market. Once again, an economic correction is inevitable and they will be the first to get stung.

chuck911

Technically the automotive industry isn't headed for big changes. The automotive industry is being railroaded into big changes. The distinction is everything.

Its engineering that made Porsche. We all love the thought of James Dean in the 550 but in reality Porsche has never been the rebel, with or without a cause. They go along to get along. With the regulators, I mean. And it shows just how bad we're losing that hardly anyone ever mentions this. It should be the first and last point of every fricken post- how sick and tired we all are of unelected and unaccountable people who know nothing about cars defining what cars must be. Instead we all get sucked right into it, even going so far as to parrot their crap like with VW. Whatever. Where was I? Oh yeah, Porsche embraces this regulatory spiraling into the abyss. Probably because they know, awesome engineers that they are, they will still make major bank by doing it better than anyone else. And just watch, even as some of us cry about turbo's and transmissions, a whole bunch more will ooh and ahh and open their wallets for E-whatever.

Don't believe me? Just look at LeMans. That once great race where everyone did everything they could to pull out all the stops to go as fast as possible, they now supinely acquiesce to fuel being metered out by the milliliter so that after passing a car they then go slower than they could until their mpg gets back down to where they can, you know, race again. They have turned LeMans from a race into a science project. We all jizz over Porsche winning just the same. I'm as guilty of this as any. I just try and keep the two things separate in my mind. And never miss a chance to drive home the injustice of it all. Because despite the odds I somehow can't help believing that if enough people could at least see the madness, then maybe the madness would end.

Or maybe the madness is what we want? Seems that way sometimes.

NoGaBiker

If the Carrera comes out in January of 2019 it would be a 2020; as long as the first one doesn't hit US soil till Jan 1, 2019, they can name them 2020s, and usually do.

limegreen

I agree with everything you are saying. While Porsche and others are now laughingly being referred to as " technology companies " over being a car company the simple truth is that they exist by manufacturing and selling vehicles to people who want them. They make billions of dollars in the process and have a fair bit of political influence for that very reason. If the consumer would simply stop drinking the B.S. technology koolaid being poured down their throats then they would stop purchasing these cars forcing the manufactures to look for reasons why . If that reason was found to be the railroading of the industry due to over and unfair regulation you can bet anything that the manufactures would lean onto the governmental powers that be to repeal them.

It all rests in our hands , all we need to do is stop tolerating it...