2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
02-25-2018, 10:12 AM
#1337
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
And in the next 10 years, when the government makes it explicitly or de facto illegal to drive your own car, we will be wishing for any vehicle with a couple of pedals and a steering wheel.
Depends what socialist country you live in and how the political and economic climates are. Something that is purely political driven and not consumer driven has a very good chance of failing.
Not to mention, the price point of electric will always be higher and exclude 80% of people worldwide who can't afford it. Oil is plentiful with no signs of a slowdown or price increases. That alone will make it difficult to sell electric. Keep pumping USA!
* note I do believe electric can and should co-exist with combustion.
02-25-2018, 10:30 AM
#1338
Drifting
As long as electric continues to improve, it will quickly become the car of choice for most of the "non-car-guy" buyers out there, if it isn't already. My wife would be well-served by electric as long as it is convenient for her. Give her a 350-mile range, similar to her ML350, and an easy charging solution in the house overnight, and she'd never need off-site fueling. Getting to places farther away than 350 miles is and would remain MY problem. 
Anyway, if the economics work out, even to where unsubsidized electrics get down to no more than 10% more than gassers (Total Cost of Ownership), I think most regular people would prefer them -- in fact already do. Much quieter, no smells, no gas station stops, belief they're helping the environment, faster acceleration than equivalent price gassers.
So at that point, you won't have to subsidize and you won't have to legislate against gassers -- the free market will put most people into electrics by choice, and they'll be happier with them. In fact, most won't even own the things, but will just hail them with an app. So I think US Congress will leave us gas-heads alone as far as legislating against us. The problem will be shrinking supply of purchase options, as well as dwindling availability of gas stations.
Anyway, if the economics work out, even to where unsubsidized electrics get down to no more than 10% more than gassers (Total Cost of Ownership), I think most regular people would prefer them -- in fact already do. Much quieter, no smells, no gas station stops, belief they're helping the environment, faster acceleration than equivalent price gassers.
So at that point, you won't have to subsidize and you won't have to legislate against gassers -- the free market will put most people into electrics by choice, and they'll be happier with them. In fact, most won't even own the things, but will just hail them with an app. So I think US Congress will leave us gas-heads alone as far as legislating against us. The problem will be shrinking supply of purchase options, as well as dwindling availability of gas stations.
02-25-2018, 10:48 AM
#1339
As long as electric continues to improve, it will quickly become the car of choice for most of the "non-car-guy" buyers out there, if it isn't already. My wife would be well-served by electric as long as it is convenient for her. Give her a 350-mile range, similar to her ML350, and an easy charging solution in the house overnight, and she'd never need off-site fueling. Getting to places farther away than 350 miles is and would remain MY problem.
Anyway, if the economics work out, even to where unsubsidized electrics get down to no more than 10% more than gassers (Total Cost of Ownership), I think most regular people would prefer them -- in fact already do. Much quieter, no smells, no gas station stops, belief they're helping the environment, faster acceleration than equivalent price gassers.
So at that point, you won't have to subsidize and you won't have to legislate against gassers -- the free market will put most people into electrics by choice, and they'll be happier with them. In fact, most won't even own the things, but will just hail them with an app. So I think US Congress will leave us gas-heads alone as far as legislating against us. The problem will be shrinking supply of purchase options, as well as dwindling availability of gas stations.
Anyway, if the economics work out, even to where unsubsidized electrics get down to no more than 10% more than gassers (Total Cost of Ownership), I think most regular people would prefer them -- in fact already do. Much quieter, no smells, no gas station stops, belief they're helping the environment, faster acceleration than equivalent price gassers.
So at that point, you won't have to subsidize and you won't have to legislate against gassers -- the free market will put most people into electrics by choice, and they'll be happier with them. In fact, most won't even own the things, but will just hail them with an app. So I think US Congress will leave us gas-heads alone as far as legislating against us. The problem will be shrinking supply of purchase options, as well as dwindling availability of gas stations.
Cheap cars, new or used, will stay combustion powered for a long time.
This will keep the infrastructure alive for enjoyment drivers.
02-25-2018, 11:12 AM
#1340
Even the mighty Stout, while extolling the virtues of the new turbos, has expressed his desire for a GT3, if there could be only 1 911 to be had.
So we plow ahead with the 992 and all I can hope is that Porsche gets it right. For our other needs, there will always be the HFS thread so do not despair.
02-25-2018, 02:25 PM
#1341
Burning Brakes
Funny as I went from a BMW with HUD, Keyless, big screen, lots of tech fluff, to a Macan with a little bit less tech fluff (it was my first non-keyless car in 5 years) and even had an S Class with radar cruise, massage seats, etc. Didn’t miss any of it.
Went to my 911, still no keyless (I would probably PAY to have to insert the key into the left socket, that’s a big visceral element to the car imo) and I love “whipping out” the genius “childhood evoking” toy car key (are Porsche genuises in tapping into our inner aspirational childs or what? They certainly “cracked the code” on how to get adults to splurge on often ridiculously priced items. Hint: Emotion. Playfulness backed up by excellence. And nostalgia)
Went to my 911, still no keyless (I would probably PAY to have to insert the key into the left socket, that’s a big visceral element to the car imo) and I love “whipping out” the genius “childhood evoking” toy car key (are Porsche genuises in tapping into our inner aspirational childs or what? They certainly “cracked the code” on how to get adults to splurge on often ridiculously priced items. Hint: Emotion. Playfulness backed up by excellence. And nostalgia)
02-25-2018, 04:30 PM
#1346
We've seen it before, but not in detail.
The only goal was to re center the thread on 992 speculation.
02-25-2018, 05:37 PM
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- the final as-designed wheel set(s) have different offsets that don't match what's currently in use. So, they mix and match to get the right offsets. No point in getting one-off wheels just for looks.
- staggered diameters with 20" on the front and 21" on the rear and - as above - nothing current in a matching set with the right offsets.
- making us waste our time...
02-25-2018, 06:29 PM
#1350
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What if amidst all the interior/exterior facelifting they dropped 2 cylinders and added batteries in the back? Dont shoot me. I see them doing it... maybe not for the 992.1 but possibly the 992.2.
