2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
02-14-2018, 03:46 PM
#1025
What I don't understand is what Porsche's problem is with exterior door handles.... They switched from the iconic handle / latch of the 901-993 to the Toyota-esque conventional handles in the 996 and were deservedly criticized for that. They go back to better looking handle for the 997, improve it with the 991.1 and finally it's again perfected in the 991.2. In comes the 992 with those cheap looking handles again.... I don't get it....
02-14-2018, 04:25 PM
#1026
02-14-2018, 07:09 PM
#1027
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Basically, I think the first automakers to abandon the obsolete "world car" strategy will do well at the expense of the laggards. Regulatory regimes around the world are simply too different nowadays. It makes no sense to insist on building and selling the same product into every market, and with modern JIT practices it's also less necessary than ever.
Watch what happens in the US over the next few years, for instance, relative to what happens in the EU and Asian markets. 'Divergence' will be the understatement of the decade.
And God help them if there's an economic downturn in the Far East, once they've committed themselves to building cars that no one else wants to buy.
Watch what happens in the US over the next few years, for instance, relative to what happens in the EU and Asian markets. 'Divergence' will be the understatement of the decade.
And God help them if there's an economic downturn in the Far East, once they've committed themselves to building cars that no one else wants to buy.
02-14-2018, 07:58 PM
#1028
I'm a happy Porsche customer and I respect the fact they strive to improve their product offerings with every change of series/model. If they didn't they'd end up in a mess. Despite all the noise and rhetoric, internet enthusiasts don't actually buy much product. Think of it this way everyone loves and respects Lotus - however hardly anyone buys them. Likewise, those that really like "visceral" will probably have a "historic" tucked away. Try a 996GT3 on for size.
In contrast, I'll happily buy a GT4 so long as it is a competitive car and that means 450HP (with head room) and PDK. I'll also buy a 992GT3 because that will be an improvement on the current generation and will have torque to burn
(and subject to Porsche working with tire manufacturers to offer a better range of tires for track work) . Both will be great drivers cars, why? because thats what Porsche do well The reality check is important
In 2012, Porsche sold around 13,000 Boxster/Cayman, 28,000 911s and 0 Macans . the grand total of all product was ~152,000 deliveries
In 2017, Porsche sold around 25,000 Boxster/Cayman, 32,000 911s and 97,000 Macans - the grand total of all product was ~ 246,000 deliveries
Evolution, innovation and new products drive success - stasis drives failure.
Last edited by RRDnA; 02-14-2018 at 08:38 PM.
02-14-2018, 08:29 PM
#1029
In 2017 Porsche sold more vehicles than ever before (YOY). If there's an economic down turn in SE Asia it will have global impact - it wont be regional (In USD terms the GDP of China is over $12 trillion and growing at 7% PA).
I'm a happy Porsche customer and I respect the fact they strive to improve their product offerings with every change of series/model. If they didn't they'd end up in a mess. Despite all the noise and rhetoric, internet enthusiasts don't actually buy much product. Think of it this way everyone loves and respects Lotus - however hardly anyone buys them. Likewise, those that really like "visceral" will probably have a "historic" tucked away. Try a 996GT3 on for size.
In contrast, I'll happily buy a GT4 so long as it is a competitive car and that means 450HP (with head room) and PDK. I'll also buy a 992GT3 because that will be an improvement on the current generation and will have torque to burn (and subject to Porsche working with tire manufacturers to offer a better range of tires for track work) . Both will be great drivers cars, why? because thats what Porsche do well
I'm a happy Porsche customer and I respect the fact they strive to improve their product offerings with every change of series/model. If they didn't they'd end up in a mess. Despite all the noise and rhetoric, internet enthusiasts don't actually buy much product. Think of it this way everyone loves and respects Lotus - however hardly anyone buys them. Likewise, those that really like "visceral" will probably have a "historic" tucked away. Try a 996GT3 on for size.
In contrast, I'll happily buy a GT4 so long as it is a competitive car and that means 450HP (with head room) and PDK. I'll also buy a 992GT3 because that will be an improvement on the current generation and will have torque to burn
(and subject to Porsche working with tire manufacturers to offer a better range of tires for track work) . Both will be great drivers cars, why? because thats what Porsche do well The thing is, building a fast car is fairly simple in the age of computers. Building one that is an absolute joy to drive is not so trivial.
I'd rather have fifty horsepower less, a stick, oh and forget tucking it away, I'd drive it every day.
02-14-2018, 09:41 PM
#1030
Yeah I’m always bewildered when people are like wow that’s got to be a true drivers car! XY horsepowers ZX torques N.M s 1/4 mile lap times whatever! It can sit in my garage while I brag about it! I’m like wow you have no idea what a driver’s car is.
02-14-2018, 10:01 PM
#1031
Competitive. Meaning faster than other comparable streetcars. You make no mention of it being visceral.
The thing is, building a fast car is fairly simple in the age of computers. Building one that is an absolute joy to drive is not so trivial.
I'd rather have fifty horsepower less, a stick, oh and forget tucking it away, I'd drive it every day.
The thing is, building a fast car is fairly simple in the age of computers. Building one that is an absolute joy to drive is not so trivial.
I'd rather have fifty horsepower less, a stick, oh and forget tucking it away, I'd drive it every day.
And 911 sales being propped up because of the China market does me no good. It’s actually a negative effect as again, China market desires are antithesis to my own. U.S sports car and 911 sales declining about as soon as Porsche and other started shifting to a “China first” strategy is no coincidence. In our market, consumer demand has always favored more visceral models. Even today. Just look at how it took a record number of GT3 sales (point #1) to keep 2017 911 sales simply in line with the previous years already declining sales (point #2). While Cayman and Boxster sales have declined so heavily in U.S that rumors of ixnaying them completely are floating. If they allocate all models to China, that does us no good. As I said before, I’m a fanboy of Porsche engineering, not Porsche boardroom.
I have no doubts that if China wasn’t a factor, the U.S Porsche product line in the U.S would look different than it does today.
I agree that the “same car for every market approach” won’t be so streamlined going forward. As we reach an age of huge technological shifts and polarized politics between countries, shifting back to a “market by market approach” to some degree will pay dividends.
Nice profile, as expected. But imo it’s a bummer it’s getting that boxy 718 front bumper. My worst favorite part of that car.
02-14-2018, 11:23 PM
#1032
My cars get driven hard, in fact to the limit of available grip on a regular basis (and not on public roads) and I get a great deal of pleasure from them. No point building a GT4 if it can't compete with other cars in its class. For some, its quite straightforward.
Anyhow, the key decisions have been made and it appears the the whole 992 line up will be turbocharged including the 992 GT3. Personally, I like the direction Porsche has taken. I even like the look of the new line up. Others don't thats always the way it is with these things.
This is what Porsche think
"Type number 356, chassis number 356-001, small, light, efficient: It is the sportscar that Ferdinand Anton Ernst Porsche – also known as Ferry – could not find. So he built it himself.
It was his dream of the perfect sportscar. Even after almost 70 years, it is both a guiding example and a mission statement: To make the very most of every opportunity, to shape the future out of tradition, to develop techniques for passion and intellect through technology.
It embodies the Porsche principle.
They are all legends: 356, 911, 930, 959, 928, 917, 986, 918, 919, 718. The numbers are like declarations of love. But what exactly defines a sportscar? What makes Porsche unique? Is it the exclusive performance? The aesthetic, the harmony of the design concept? The mythology that runs from the race track into series production?
It is not one thing alone, but all of them together."
(and not on public roads) and I get a great deal of pleasure from them. No point building a GT4 if it can't compete with other cars in its class. For some, its quite straightforward. Anyhow, the key decisions have been made and it appears the the whole 992 line up will be turbocharged including the 992 GT3. Personally, I like the direction Porsche has taken. I even like the look of the new line up. Others don't thats always the way it is with these things.
This is what Porsche think
"Type number 356, chassis number 356-001, small, light, efficient: It is the sportscar that Ferdinand Anton Ernst Porsche – also known as Ferry – could not find. So he built it himself.
It was his dream of the perfect sportscar. Even after almost 70 years, it is both a guiding example and a mission statement: To make the very most of every opportunity, to shape the future out of tradition, to develop techniques for passion and intellect through technology.
It embodies the Porsche principle.
They are all legends: 356, 911, 930, 959, 928, 917, 986, 918, 919, 718. The numbers are like declarations of love. But what exactly defines a sportscar? What makes Porsche unique? Is it the exclusive performance? The aesthetic, the harmony of the design concept? The mythology that runs from the race track into series production?
It is not one thing alone, but all of them together."
Last edited by RRDnA; 02-15-2018 at 06:00 AM.
02-15-2018, 01:27 AM
#1033
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02-15-2018, 05:52 AM
#1035
The works car
and
The Le Mans car
This ones going on the block for $US12m
and this is what Porsche think
Looks like we're heading into a fantastic and exciting era. Oh, the pictures are of the legendary 2.1L RSR Turbo.
The 992RSR will be an absolute cracker too.