2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
10-29-2017, 08:22 AM
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In this instance, perhaps. But I prefer a good flat 6 sound to a V sound, as a good flat 6 is perhaps my favorite automotive sound out there.
Hard to compare an old water cooled engine to a newer one. The 3.0 sounds a lot more farty than the modern N/A cars do. Maybe its the muffling, but even with PSE it sounds too quiet and soulless to me (again, the owner of a .2 GTS echos this as he stated his GTS Macan also with PSE sounds louder and more riveting to him). I credit this to two factors: turbos sucking some of that raw clatter out, and less displacement. Thats not to say that more displacement always sounds better (I actually sort of prefer the rasp of the 3.4 to the deeper 3.8, but the 3.0 seems to be pushing it imo). And the turbo whistle is vastly louder than the engine itself from outside, which is a shame.
The .2s with PSE Ive heard dont give me goosebumps whatsoever. Any .1 with PSE (or X Pipe) is not only something I can hear over and over again with a huge smile on my face, but its probably my favorite sound out there of any car. Dont even need a GT3 to get that as about any N/A flat 6 will do, imo.
I also wouldnt say silent majority. Anecdotally, Im surprised at how many casual car fans ask if I have one of the new turbo 911s or the better sounding N/A ones. Its an annoying and common topic .2 owners have to deal with for a reason (look up YouTube comment sections when in 911 sound comparisons, tons of turbo complaints with N/A auditory praise)
The .2 is likely the first 911 facelift to drastically sell less than the outgoing model, with the outgoing model considerably rising in value (unheard of for a volume car). Then when you take into account how game changing the new .2 turbo performance is, it truly says a lot when the .1s go up in value and .2s decline in sales. I.e it may not be an issue to those of you who bought one, but it is to many. Not that mass opinion should determine much, but numbers dont back up a silent majority not caring about the sound and feel differences.
I honestly and truly wouldve paid more for the .1 than a base .2 for the those intangible feeling aspects alone. I couldnt get myself to seriously consider the .2, even considering how epic it drives. And that says a lot because the .2 is a considerably better fundamental car.
Hard to compare an old water cooled engine to a newer one. The 3.0 sounds a lot more farty than the modern N/A cars do. Maybe its the muffling, but even with PSE it sounds too quiet and soulless to me (again, the owner of a .2 GTS echos this as he stated his GTS Macan also with PSE sounds louder and more riveting to him). I credit this to two factors: turbos sucking some of that raw clatter out, and less displacement. Thats not to say that more displacement always sounds better (I actually sort of prefer the rasp of the 3.4 to the deeper 3.8, but the 3.0 seems to be pushing it imo). And the turbo whistle is vastly louder than the engine itself from outside, which is a shame.
The .2s with PSE Ive heard dont give me goosebumps whatsoever. Any .1 with PSE (or X Pipe) is not only something I can hear over and over again with a huge smile on my face, but its probably my favorite sound out there of any car. Dont even need a GT3 to get that as about any N/A flat 6 will do, imo.
I also wouldnt say silent majority. Anecdotally, Im surprised at how many casual car fans ask if I have one of the new turbo 911s or the better sounding N/A ones. Its an annoying and common topic .2 owners have to deal with for a reason (look up YouTube comment sections when in 911 sound comparisons, tons of turbo complaints with N/A auditory praise)
The .2 is likely the first 911 facelift to drastically sell less than the outgoing model, with the outgoing model considerably rising in value (unheard of for a volume car). Then when you take into account how game changing the new .2 turbo performance is, it truly says a lot when the .1s go up in value and .2s decline in sales. I.e it may not be an issue to those of you who bought one, but it is to many. Not that mass opinion should determine much, but numbers dont back up a silent majority not caring about the sound and feel differences.
I honestly and truly wouldve paid more for the .1 than a base .2 for the those intangible feeling aspects alone. I couldnt get myself to seriously consider the .2, even considering how epic it drives. And that says a lot because the .2 is a considerably better fundamental car.
Not here pal. Loving my PSE. 
10-29-2017, 11:03 AM
#662
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Originally Posted by K-A
In this instance, perhaps. But I prefer a good flat 6 sound to a V sound, as a good flat 6 is perhaps my favorite automotive sound out there.Hard to compare an old air cooled engine to a newer one. The 3.0 sounds a lot more farty than the modern N/A cars do. Maybe its partly the muffling, but even with PSE it sounds too quiet and soulless to me (again, the owner of a .2 GTS echos this as he stated his GTS Macan also with PSE sounds louder and more riveting to him). I credit this to 3 factors: turbos sucking some of that raw clatter out, the 3.0 running less compression which makes a big difference in natural sound, and less displacement. Thats not to say that more displacement always sounds better (I actually sort of prefer the rasp of the 3.4 to the deeper 3.8, but the 3.0 seems to be pushing it imo). And the turbo whistle is vastly louder than the engine itself from outside, which is a shame.
The .2s with PSE Ive heard dont give me goosebumps whatsoever. Any .1 with PSE (or X Pipe) is not only something I can hear over and over again with a huge smile on my face, but its probably my favorite sound out there of any car. Dont even need a GT3 to get that as about any N/A flat 6 will do, imo.
I also wouldnt say silent majority. Anecdotally, Im surprised at how many casual car fans ask if I have one of the new turbo 911s or the better sounding N/A ones. Its an annoying and common topic .2 owners have to deal with for a reason (look up YouTube comment sections when in 911 sound comparisons, tons of turbo complaints with N/A auditory praise).
The .2 is likely the first 911 facelift to drastically sell less than the outgoing model, with the outgoing model considerably rising in value (unheard of for a volume car). Then when you take into account how game changing the new .2 turbo performance is, it truly says a lot when the .1s go up in value and .2s decline in sales. I.e it may not be an issue to those of you who bought one, but it is to many. Not that mass opinion should determine much, but numbers dont back up a silent majority not caring about the sound and feel differences.
I honestly and truly wouldve paid more for the .1 than a base .2 for the those intangible feeling aspects alone. I couldnt get myself to seriously consider the .2, even considering how epic it drives. And that says a lot because the .2 is a considerably better fundamental car.
The .2s with PSE Ive heard dont give me goosebumps whatsoever. Any .1 with PSE (or X Pipe) is not only something I can hear over and over again with a huge smile on my face, but its probably my favorite sound out there of any car. Dont even need a GT3 to get that as about any N/A flat 6 will do, imo.
I also wouldnt say silent majority. Anecdotally, Im surprised at how many casual car fans ask if I have one of the new turbo 911s or the better sounding N/A ones. Its an annoying and common topic .2 owners have to deal with for a reason (look up YouTube comment sections when in 911 sound comparisons, tons of turbo complaints with N/A auditory praise).
The .2 is likely the first 911 facelift to drastically sell less than the outgoing model, with the outgoing model considerably rising in value (unheard of for a volume car). Then when you take into account how game changing the new .2 turbo performance is, it truly says a lot when the .1s go up in value and .2s decline in sales. I.e it may not be an issue to those of you who bought one, but it is to many. Not that mass opinion should determine much, but numbers dont back up a silent majority not caring about the sound and feel differences.
I honestly and truly wouldve paid more for the .1 than a base .2 for the those intangible feeling aspects alone. I couldnt get myself to seriously consider the .2, even considering how epic it drives. And that says a lot because the .2 is a considerably better fundamental car.
10-29-2017, 11:11 AM
#663
10-29-2017, 11:15 AM
#664
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Dont get him going on air suspension. He made Macan Forum intolerable for a year about this. But eventually he mellows
10-29-2017, 11:40 AM
#665
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Thread Starter
How has this turned into an exhaust and sound thread??
Going turbo is what it is. Dont like? Stick with .1 or the GT models. This is a 992 thread. Once again, go to another thread if the topics arent relevant.
Going turbo is what it is. Dont like? Stick with .1 or the GT models. This is a 992 thread. Once again, go to another thread if the topics arent relevant.
10-29-2017, 04:40 PM
#667
Originally Posted by STG
How has this turned into an exhaust and sound thread??
Going turbo is what it is. Dont like? Stick with .1 or the GT models. This is a 992 thread. Once again, go to another thread if the topics arent relevant.
Going turbo is what it is. Dont like? Stick with .1 or the GT models. This is a 992 thread. Once again, go to another thread if the topics arent relevant.
I for one certainly hope it’s the case as I’d love to buy another new 911 else I’ll crowdsource some help in the HFS thread.
The pics of the 992 look good..keep them and other details, coming.
10-29-2017, 04:52 PM
#668
Yeah, many .2 holdouts would buy a 992 if they like the way it sounds. Like it or not, it is relevant to discuss and hypothesize on whether or not itll appease N/A enthusiasts in that department (or to point out that itll likely use a carry over engine). And car manufacturers often read these forums, so....
On the other hand, eventually there will be no choice if you want a new 911. But never stopped the age old water vs air topics, did it?
Be happy the 911 community cultivates passion and drama via things like how the inherent nature of an engine sounds, form of cooling, etc. Its why its one of the last remaining sports cars and why your new 911s dont tank in value like most $100K+ cars.
On the other hand, eventually there will be no choice if you want a new 911. But never stopped the age old water vs air topics, did it?
Be happy the 911 community cultivates passion and drama via things like how the inherent nature of an engine sounds, form of cooling, etc. Its why its one of the last remaining sports cars and why your new 911s dont tank in value like most $100K+ cars.
10-29-2017, 05:04 PM
#669
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The reason why GT cars are getting a bigger and bigger following. Turbo will never be as good as the NA sound. See Turbo and Turbo S. Great cars, but different beast.
Porsche is making turbos for the Asian markets first and foremost. The Asian market is their one growth market. Its not about emissions or performance. Its about growth. Where do you think all the .2 allocations are going? The margins for them are better there too. Not speculation, but fact from a reliable source.
Porsche is making turbos for the Asian markets first and foremost. The Asian market is their one growth market. Its not about emissions or performance. Its about growth. Where do you think all the .2 allocations are going? The margins for them are better there too. Not speculation, but fact from a reliable source.
Last edited by STG; 10-29-2017 at 05:19 PM.
10-29-2017, 05:17 PM
#671
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They have received sufficient negative feedback on this point that it is likely being addressed in some way.
Just my speculation of course since I have no actual information but it makes sense.
I recall, that the PSE/exahust was the last major component to be developed on the .2 because they wanted to "get it right". That translates to me as......."we struggled with it and knew it wasn't perfect but we did our best before production started" 992 will sound better.
That said, I like the sound of my .2.
10-29-2017, 05:21 PM
#672
Came across this pic of a spy 991 from earlier in this thread. Interestingly it really gives some idea as to the differences between the two aesthetics (not much) and showcases how fresh the 991 looks as no joke, my eyes were drawn to it initially like now thats a nice pic of a 992.
The 992 greenhouse does look smaller, but after looking at this pic, maybe by not as much as I thought. The 991 greenhouse is in flawless proportion to the sheet metal imo.
Whats interesting is that Porsche teased the long hood look with the 991 initially.
Thats interesting and makes sense. I still feel itll be hard for them to shake the inherent characteristics that make it sound (or not sound) how it does, but Porsche black magic has pulled off bigger feats than that.
The 992 greenhouse does look smaller, but after looking at this pic, maybe by not as much as I thought. The 991 greenhouse is in flawless proportion to the sheet metal imo.
Whats interesting is that Porsche teased the long hood look with the 991 initially.
There is no doubt that Porsche R&D is working to improve the sound in the 992.
They have received sufficient negative feedback on this point that it is likely being addressed in some way.
Just my speculation of course since I have no actual information but it makes sense.
I recall, that the PSE/exahust was the last major component to be developed on the .2 because they wanted to "get it right". That translates to me as......."we struggled with it and knew it wasn't perfect but we did our best before production started" 992 will sound better.
That said, I like the sound of my .2.
They have received sufficient negative feedback on this point that it is likely being addressed in some way.
Just my speculation of course since I have no actual information but it makes sense.
I recall, that the PSE/exahust was the last major component to be developed on the .2 because they wanted to "get it right". That translates to me as......."we struggled with it and knew it wasn't perfect but we did our best before production started" 992 will sound better.
That said, I like the sound of my .2.
10-29-2017, 07:06 PM
#673
Yeah, many .2 holdouts would buy a 992 if they like the way it sounds. Like it or not, it is relevant to discuss and hypothesize on whether or not itll appease N/A enthusiasts in that department (or to point out that itll likely use a carry over engine). And car manufacturers often read these forums, so....
On the other hand, eventually there will be no choice if you want a new 911. But never stopped the age old water vs air topics, did it?
Be happy the 911 community cultivates passion and drama via things like how the inherent nature of an engine sounds, form of cooling, etc. Its why its one of the last remaining sports cars and why your new 911s dont tank in value like most $100K+ cars.
On the other hand, eventually there will be no choice if you want a new 911. But never stopped the age old water vs air topics, did it?
Be happy the 911 community cultivates passion and drama via things like how the inherent nature of an engine sounds, form of cooling, etc. Its why its one of the last remaining sports cars and why your new 911s dont tank in value like most $100K+ cars.
10-29-2017, 07:48 PM
#674
Judging from the cluster it looks to have some kind of adaptive cruise control that maintains distance between the front bumper and the car in front of you. I hope it does not feature an automated braking system
