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Yeah, I take pride in this ability with my .1 GTS. The more I drive it the more it "sings" compared to any new Porsche today.
The .2 GTS does not sound all that bad,....but the 4 cylinder 718s sound absolutely terrible to me. I believe it was one of the recent magazine articles that compared the Cayman's sound to a "garbage disposal with a fork stuck in it",....couldn't agree more.
I’ll be honest, I’ve heard some .2’s on the roads that sounded not right, like “broken” at traffic speeds. Lots of turbo whistle, muted almost “fart can” sound from the actual engine. But I’m sure it gets a lot better at high RPM and I’ve heard some that sound “fine.” Any N/A flat 6 (louder the better) is music to my ears at any RPM though. Like an orchestra where RPM’s change the key of the string section.
But yeah, AT LEAST Porsche kept a flat 6 in it. 718’s sound absolutely awful. No string section whatsoever. Which is a shame as they’re flawless driving cars otherwise.
V8's always sound good. But they all sound alike (like V8's). Sort of a generic sound. To me, the Porsche Flat 6 is aural art, one of a kind, nothing like it.
The .2 has really let that aspect down to me, as when I hear it on the roads, it just doesn't sound right. Essentially and when broken down, we're talking a 3.0L F6 vs a 3.4/3.8L F6, with lower compression, less power made by itself- naturally (i.e the only part that affects the actual mechanical sound), and an extra muffler (turbos essentially act as mufflers). It's just not on the same sound level as N/A Flat 6's. Will be hard for them to "fix" that with the 992 unless they discover some magical way to get around the fundamental harmonics of an engine and power adders.
.2's might SOUND better inside than they do outside (yet still not as good as a .1), but it's because Porsche specifically pipes in as much of the natural sound that they can (to make it sound as close to an N/A flat 6 as possible), thus it's semi artificial.
Ferrari V8.......new Mustang Voodoo motor? They sound entirely different. Flat plane crank helps achieve high RPM and makes an incredible sound.
I’ll be honest, I’ve heard some .2’s on the roads that sounded not right, like “broken” at traffic speeds. Lots of turbo whistle, muted almost “fart can” sound from the actual engine. But I’m sure it gets a lot better at high RPM and I’ve heard some that sound “fine.” Any N/A flat 6 (louder the better) is music to my ears at any RPM though. Like an orchestra where RPM’s change the key of the string section.
But yeah, AT LEAST Porsche kept a flat 6 in it. 718’s sound absolutely awful. No string section whatsoever. Which is a shame as they’re flawless driving cars otherwise.
Yeah. Shame they went to a 2.0 four instead of a 2.0 six.
I'm not going to get into a sound debate - its pointless. You think the .2 sounds like an angry vacuum cleaner. I think the NA which I own, is boomy on long drives and pisses the neighbours off. . I think my .2 SX51 sounds angry above 4000rpm - where it should be angry and it doesn't **** the neighbours off. Basically, there is no win in this debate.
Your comment on responsiveness is simply incorrect - in the first instance the twin turbo responds, at the very worst as a 3l NA DFI engine.
However, if you are in sport mode you sit at 2000rpm and its job done.
Also you don't have instant throttle response with a NA engine - its about 0.2s. The reality is you can't separate throttle response and engine response - they both act in concert to deliver performance. We could have a discussion about compression ratios to illustrate the point. I do a lot of track time (probably 26 on the clock events this year and that excludes set up days) and I can assure you I have no issue with throttle response.
In regard to the MB commentary - I'm with the guys that gave the 488GTB engine the gong followed by the 9A2. Both are excellent in design and execution and both deliver great performance - the performance figures clearly support this. At the end of the day the AMG GTS has other issues which cause it to be left in show rooms.
You need to look at the performance of the 991.2GTS versus 991.1 series cars including GT3 RS/ GT3/ Turbo etc or 458 Italia or for that matter 488GTB. It reveals, as always that Porsche is the exemplar of integrated performance and the 9AS clearly delivers the heart and lungs to match the performance of some very highly regarded cars. To be frank its no surprise given Porsche have been building "turbos" since the dawn of time and the GT2RS is very much the top dog.
Anyhow, Porsche will pretty much go forward with the 992 as outlined in my previous post - and guess what, it will be a better car than the 991.2 - thats evolution and thats a good thing Moreover, if you want a NA manual put money down on a GT3 or GT3 Touring edition. Porsche caters for all niche markets. Its a good business model as everyone gets the car that they want.
+ What he said.
By the way, I heard the Mission E sounds like..........
New renders. I think this is pretty close to what we can expect:
That’s a bad render. Too conservative in the changes. What they’re showing is a 991.2
What did they change, just the front bumper? I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on these “creative guessesâ€. Look at the mules for guidance.
Look at mules: Door handles, hood crease, less softer curves, wider stance, different rear end, and rear badge will mirror the 718/Panamera. Many of aesthetics from the 718/Panamera will show up on the 992.
Spoiler is too small from other views we have seen, no hood creases, no flush door handles, etc. I like it, but I don't think it represents what the true 992 will look like.
10-13-2017, 11:12 AM
. I think my .2 SX51 sounds angry above 4000rpm - where it should be angry and it doesn't **** the neighbours off. Basically, there is no win in this debate. 
