992 GTS Suspension...
I have a 2023 Targa 4 GTS, which comes standard with PASM.
I was thinking about getting the Bilstein EVO SE coil-overs to lower the car. I like the idea of the stock suspension is Billstein and these are "plug and play". If I replace the stock suspension with the Bilstien, how does that affect PASM and the different drive modes? Although, when I look at their page: https://performance.bilstein.com/en/...lstein-evo-se/ It lists all the models they are available for, but it doesn't list any GTS models. I’m also a bit confused about the Targa 4 GTS height in comparison to other 992s… I’ve read hear the Targa isn’t as low as others because of the additional weight, but when I read elsewhere (and according to the dealer) it says the GTS is 10mm lower. So where can I get the “official” numbers? Thanks! Jeff |
I think Targa 4 GTS ride height is same as Carrera S with standard PASM.
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The Targa suspension is raised 10mm from the GTS stock and lacks the Turbo helper springs. Essentially a C2S. It's more than fine if you drive over typical roads, but not the more track-honed GTS suspension. If you're looking for a Targa with the lowered suspension, an aftermarket would be your choice. As to which is better, I haven't a clue. But I spec'd my GTS coupe with the PASM vice standard GTS (Targa raised) suspension and I'm not the least bit disappointed.
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Originally Posted by 1957Goldtop
(Post 18708452)
I have a 2023 Targa 4 GTS, which comes standard with PASM.
I was thinking about getting the Bilstein EVO SE coil-overs to lower the car. I like the idea of the stock suspension is Billstein and these are "plug and play". If I replace the stock suspension with the Bilstien, how does that affect PASM and the different drive modes? Although, when I look at their page: https://performance.bilstein.com/en/...lstein-evo-se/ It lists all the models they are available for, but it doesn't list any GTS models. I’m also a bit confused about the Targa 4 GTS height in comparison to other 992s… I’ve read hear the Targa isn’t as low as others because of the additional weight, but when I read elsewhere (and according to the dealer) it says the GTS is 10mm lower. So where can I get the “official” numbers? Thanks! Jeff |
Originally Posted by Shogunade
(Post 18710853)
What are you trying to achieve? The GTS suspension is pretty near perfect. If it's aesthetics you're going for just get lowering springs. Ie. KW HAS.
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Originally Posted by 1957Goldtop
(Post 18710956)
Well, lowering was the objective... But I thought just adding lowering springs would effect the suspension performance negativity. Clearly I'm not understanding.
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Originally Posted by 1957Goldtop
(Post 18710956)
Well, lowering was the objective... But I thought just adding lowering springs would effect the suspension performance negativity. Clearly I'm not understanding.
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Originally Posted by KBS911
(Post 18713220)
Went with the Bilstein EVO SE's on my 22 GTS. Love them! Great look and great ride, and no CEL's because Bilstein make the stock shocks. Marginally more stiff feeling but good rebound and damping. They feel basically stock. BTW, I track my car. Sebring, a pretty rough surface is home track. The car feels much more planted, less body roll. No issues after 2500 miles and several track weekends. I would highly recommend!
https://performance.bilstein.com/en/...lstein-evo-se/ They list all the 992s but the GTS. So, I emailed them to ask about it and they confirmed 🤷♂️ |
Originally Posted by 1957Goldtop
(Post 18714203)
I just got an email back from Bilstein saying the EVO SE's are not compatible with the GTS. As you can see her:
https://performance.bilstein.com/en/...lstein-evo-se/ They list all the 992s but the GTS. So, I emailed them to ask about it and they confirmed 🤷♂️ |
Originally Posted by KBS911
(Post 18714495)
Doesn't make sense. The GTS is just a S+ and SE coil overs work on the Turbo and Turbo S, that weigh several hundred pounds more, but not on the GTS??? Sorry the GTS is not that special. Do what you will. I simply provided my actual experience on my 22 GTS with the EVO coil-overs. It transformed the car. Lowering springs are a half measure. Trust me, I know, I have had them on several cars. Good luck!
Bilstein is hyper specific about the way we design test and tune all of our products to be application specific. For sport oriented models such as these we will sometimes differentiate down to the sub model. One example is a base 3 series compared to an M3, they will have different kits. I apologize but the kits we do offer were simply not tested or designed for GTS vehicles. It is likely that a GTS specific kit will be released in the future however we do not have access to production status or up coming projects as part of technical and warranty support. |
Originally Posted by KBS911
(Post 18713220)
Went with the Bilstein EVO SE's on my 22 GTS. Love them! Great look and great ride, and no CEL's because Bilstein make the stock shocks. Marginally more stiff feeling but good rebound and damping. They feel basically stock. BTW, I track my car. Sebring, a pretty rough surface is home track. The car feels much more planted, less body roll. No issues after 2500 miles and several track weekends. I would highly recommend!
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Originally Posted by dixonk
(Post 18714504)
How far did you lower yours?
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Originally Posted by 1957Goldtop
(Post 18714503)
Quote from Bilstein after email them back to confirm the GTS is not supported:
Bilstein is hyper specific about the way we design test and tune all of our products to be application specific. For sport oriented models such as these we will sometimes differentiate down to the sub model. One example is a base 3 series compared to an M3, they will have different kits. I apologize but the kits we do offer were simply not tested or designed for GTS vehicles. It is likely that a GTS specific kit will be released in the future however we do not have access to production status or up coming projects as part of technical and warranty support. |
Originally Posted by KBS911
(Post 18714565)
Silly me. Can't believe my lying eyes, or actual experience on street and track after 2500+ miles! Recommend you go with the lowering springs, at least they will look cool! Cheap, too!
Everything works great until it doesn't. I'm sure they're just being cautious since their products weren't specifically tested with the GTS and they probably do work exactly as expected. I'm just telling you what the ACTUAL expert's told me. Do what you will. |
Here is my experience with various types of suspension and cars so you have context with my recommendation. I have owned every M2/M3/M4 generation until the current M4 generation (I can't live with the new grill), a few Audi S cars (S4, RS4), a few Toyota MR2s (second gen), an Acura NSX, and an MK8 Golf R. I have modified the suspension on all of them, including springs only, full coilovers of various types, and the Bilstein or Ohlin full direct replacement with EDC.
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