Carrera T vs GTS performance related differences
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Porsche has published remarkably little technical data of any real value on the 992; that chart @CanAutM3 shared in post 75 above as I recall came from a YouTube video published by savagegeese, apparently out of a document from Porsche themselves but if someone has the actual source document I haven’t seen it shared. Maybe once one of you with a T on order gets the car we can get a T, an S, a GTS, and a Turbo together, pull the springs and measure them 
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After owning a 992 C2, and test driving a C4S and S I'd say go for the T. Unless you are driving on perfect roads I find PASM and the like too stiff. I prefer the suspension on the base. You get much better throttle response at all RPMS with the smaller turbos on the C2/T. After owning a MY 2021 C2 for a few months I found driving S cars strange because I was always waiting for the power, the delay waiting for boost was jarring. I was keen to test drive and trade up but after spending time in the S cars, found I greatly prefer the way the C2 drives. IMO the base and maybe the T are the best ones to buy if you only plan to drive on public roads, even in the mountains where I live full time. The basic suspension is good enough to get you thrown in jail with extreme prejudice and if you take it near the limit it's terrifying (and exhilarating) even with the nanny options enabled. There isn't a need for better suspension unless you are headed to the track IMO.
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Porsche has published remarkably little technical data of any real value on the 992; that chart @CanAutM3 shared in post 75 above as I recall came from a YouTube video published by savagegeese, apparently out of a document from Porsche themselves but if someone has the actual source document I haven’t seen it shared. Maybe once one of you with a T on order gets the car we can get a T, an S, a GTS, and a Turbo together, pull the springs and measure them .
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After owning a 992 C2, and test driving a C4S and S I'd say go for the T. Unless you are driving on perfect roads I find PASM and the like too stiff. I prefer the suspension on the base. You get much better throttle response at all RPMS with the smaller turbos on the C2/T. After owning a MY 2021 C2 for a few months I found driving S cars strange because I was always waiting for the power, the delay waiting for boost was jarring. I was keen to test drive and trade up but after spending time in the S cars, found I greatly prefer the way the C2 drives. IMO the base and maybe the T are the best ones to buy if you only plan to drive on public roads, even in the mountains where I live full time. The basic suspension is good enough to get you thrown in jail with extreme prejudice and if you take it near the limit it's terrifying (and exhilarating) even with the nanny options enabled. There isn't a need for better suspension unless you are headed to the track IMO.
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HA good to know, thank you... Here I was taking that as Porsche Fact... yea I'm just going to take delivery of the T and enjoy the hell out of it. I wasn't in the market for a GTS, Turbo or GT3 right now, so really doesn't make a difference to me at this point. I have had other 911s... a 992 C2, and a Carrera S... I think the T is going to be the perfect balance and just what I'm looking for! Time will tell!
As a general comment, it’s fascinating to see the denial and confirmation bias going on.
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Well, the Suspension on the T is confirmed to be the upgraded S PASM, so it actually wont be the base suspension set up.. It also gets Porsche Torque Vectoring, a mechanical locking rear differential, optional Rear Axle Steering, and a few other goodies... The thing from the C2 car that carries over to the T is the engine and the brakes... T also gets the 7-speed manual, sport exhaust and sport Chrono all as standard. But since you didnt like the larger turbos on the S, you are right that the smaller turbos on the T will be out of the C2 and possibly more responsive, even though less powerful of an engine... I had a 992 C2 before this T and I thought it was fantastic.
In the end, as others have said we are all lucky to have any 911. New 911 allocations are still pretty rare so if you are offered one at a price you can afford take it. Recently there have been a lot of T allocations available and very few C2 and S allocations. Dealers seem to be willing to give up T allocations closer to MSRP and to new customers without a lot of history. If you have the option, drive some used ones to get a feel for what you really want.
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Savagegeese, as other “journalists, have access to the restricted press technical documentation provided on the Pirsche press website. Savagegese regularly use screenshots of these in their ”shoppe” deep dives. There is no reason they would “invent” a chart on spring rates. I’ve tried myself to get access to this Porsche press database but you need journalistic references to do so. It baffles me why Porsche won’t provide these to the general public, there’s a wealth of technical info in there.
As a general comment, it’s fascinating to see the denial and confirmation bias going on.
As a general comment, it’s fascinating to see the denial and confirmation bias going on.
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Ridiculous. I bought a 991.2 T.
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I bought the best car for my purpose; the difference in what one cost wasn’t a relevant factor, so they were the same price in my calculation.
In fairness, it was an easy purchase decision since a very low mile known history one was available and I knew I’d be waiting for anything new, as dealers are very evasive. However, several respected drivers I know said the 911T spec’d correctly was a more involving drive than the GTS etc for my needs (which wasn’t as a daily but rather for canyon runs)
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After owning a 992 C2, and test driving a C4S and S I'd say go for the T. Unless you are driving on perfect roads I find PASM and the like too stiff. I prefer the suspension on the base. You get much better throttle response at all RPMS with the smaller turbos on the C2/T. After owning a MY 2021 C2 for a few months I found driving S cars strange because I was always waiting for the power, the delay waiting for boost was jarring. I was keen to test drive and trade up but after spending time in the S cars, found I greatly prefer the way the C2 drives. IMO the base and maybe the T are the best ones to buy if you only plan to drive on public roads, even in the mountains where I live full time. The basic suspension is good enough to get you thrown in jail with extreme prejudice and if you take it near the limit it's terrifying (and exhilarating) even with the nanny options enabled. There isn't a need for better suspension unless you are headed to the track IMO.