Turbo Time!
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I felt that way about the 997- that it needed an upgrade. Not so strong on the 991 to 992 to me but these things are subjective. And now I'm reading about Infotainment system glitches and malfunctioning/quality defects in the 992. Burmester rattles. Saggy seat bottoms. C'mon guys. Is this the infiltration of Volkswagen here??? Outsourcing the engineering work??? I find this really upsetting. Every 991 I've had has been damn bulletproof. I hope that quality is not going to take a dump and this company is getting complacent, because We love Porsches and we shell out big bucks for this stuff. And we all care here.
The 992 drives well, people reap praise on the wider track, the power, the quickness, the steering, but these guys have screwed up some things. In general I really like the 992 interior, especially the chalk stitching with black leather (looks great!)- but man they missed on some of this. They also missed on the 14-way seats. Look like robbed from a BMW Z4, and not the new model! I had to put my sunglasses on and look away, Hank Moody style.
The 992 drives well, people reap praise on the wider track, the power, the quickness, the steering, but these guys have screwed up some things. In general I really like the 992 interior, especially the chalk stitching with black leather (looks great!)- but man they missed on some of this. They also missed on the 14-way seats. Look like robbed from a BMW Z4, and not the new model! I had to put my sunglasses on and look away, Hank Moody style.
993: Valve guides made out of butter and clogged SAI ports
996/997: IMS. Ford Taurus quality interior.
991 GT3: Con-rod failure engine recall. 2nd recall for valve train issues.
981 GT4: Strut towers made out of tin cans
Software glitches can be fixed with updates. Door speaker rattles were an issue with the 991. The gauges in my 993 are obscured by my steering wheel as well.
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Lol, dude is either drunk arguing with himself or obsessed high schooler needing a sports car of any kind. No one serious about driving high performance cars obsesses over the way a tach looks or the auto manual shift actuator. They purchase a car for the performance limits, the way it handles and the way it looks.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
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Lol, dude is either drunk arguing with himself or obsessed high schooler needing a sports car of any kind. No one serious about driving high performance cars obsesses over the way a tach looks or the auto manual shift actuator. They purchase a car for the performance limits, the way it handles and the way it looks.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
Fix the nubbin and the tach.
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Lol, dude is either drunk arguing with himself or obsessed high schooler needing a sports car of any kind. No one serious about driving high performance cars obsesses over the way a tach looks or the auto manual shift actuator. They purchase a car for the performance limits, the way it handles and the way it looks.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
IMO, Porsche could ditch this all together and go to a button for the 911 pdks. Works just fine on lets see . . . every other high performance, exotic car from the Senna, 918, LaFerrari, Lambos, Astons and etc. If you really want to row gears, buy and learn to shift a manual and stop being a poser.
911s are now moving into hyper car performance levels and paddle shifting is just a much better match and part of the exotic car feel.
C’mon man.
I like to write. Get used to that too.
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964: Flywheel failures
993: Valve guides made out of butter and clogged SAI ports
996/997: IMS. Ford Taurus quality interior.
991 GT3: Con-rod failure engine recall. 2nd recall for valve train issues.
981 GT4: Strut towers made out of tin cans
Software glitches can be fixed with updates. Door speaker rattles were an issue with the 991. The gauges in my 993 are obscured by my steering wheel as well.
993: Valve guides made out of butter and clogged SAI ports
996/997: IMS. Ford Taurus quality interior.
991 GT3: Con-rod failure engine recall. 2nd recall for valve train issues.
981 GT4: Strut towers made out of tin cans
Software glitches can be fixed with updates. Door speaker rattles were an issue with the 991. The gauges in my 993 are obscured by my steering wheel as well.
I actually like the 997.2 interior and think it will age better than the 991. Long term, the 991 will be second only to the 996 for poor value retention except for 991.1 GTS, Targa and .1 and .2 Turbo. 997.2 will hold better provided the gen 1 9A1s don't start showing signs of scoring comparable to the M97s.
This thread was about a Turbo and Mezgers were solid in the older turbo models. The long term reliability of the 9A derived motors remains to be seen as does long term pdk reliability in 991.
Lol, Porsche definitely attracting new, different type of market base. The focus used to be on driving, handling and looks. Now all of that seems secondary to many.
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Us older Porsche guys (I am 52) that have been driving them since 80s/90s have commented for years that the 911 has lost its soul in compromise to broader appeal to greater masses wanting a refined GT cruiser first and foremost and your comments illustrate this point. I remember thinking the 964 was brilliant when it came out because the AC actually worked somewhat, the clutch was 2X lighter and steering at slow speeds and in parking lots was not an anaerobic workout. You would still arrive home sweaty, smelling like oil and with a left leg 50% larger than the right leg, but it was great!
I honestly don't hear, probably because I don't care about, creaks, rattles, tire noise, wind noise and etc. and I never once noticed that the outer gauges on the 997.2 were obstructed until guys (after owning a half dozen since 2007) until you guys made a big deal about the 992 gauge cluster . . . No clue if they were obstructed in the 996 and I had 3 996tts and a NA 996 between 2000 and 2007.
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Lots of people here have GT3s, as well as other cars, both good and bad.
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Given the 991.2 TTS cars, the 992 price bumpage, and additional options that will be available, I would suspect that most Turbo S configs are going to land around $220k. No doubt, it's a seat at the big kids table.
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