DallasVP17

Last week I finally got to drive the 992 Carrera S, it had all the right options for me, PDDC, Sport Package w/Chrono, Rear Axle Steer, etc.

Sadly, I was underwhelmed. I love the looks, but the power was lacking IMO. I have an M3 CS now that has gobs of on demand torque with minimal turbo lag. The 992 Carrera S did not have the torque I am looking for nor did't it provide that wow factor feeling and experience I want in my car. It also had noticeable turbo lag compared to my M3 CS.

I'm bummed about it, I want to love the 992, but the Carrera S didn't do it for me.

Has anyone else experienced this in the Carrera S? Do you think the Turbo or Turbo S would provide the wow factor I want? What about the GT3?

Thoughts?

rk-d

I have an M5 competition which is a good deal more powerful than your M3. I thought the C2S has impressive power - and actually felt faster to me than the M5.

If you are looking for some sort of bonkers upgrade in velocity, you'll need to wait for the 992 TT/TTS.

dhirm5

If you didn't love it, tip your hat and move on. You're in the wrong place to get many sympathetic responses. Obviously people aren't going to agree with your opinion in the 992 forum on Rennlist. Makes me wonder if you're just trolling.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, my initial reaction is that the 992S will absolutely smoke your M3 CS in every single metric other than trunk space. Whether that translates into you enjoying the seat of pants feel is another question.

My second reaction - at least for me, where the 911 really shines is when you drive it on curvy back roads.

Finally, on the ring, your car posted 7:38. 991.2 GTS in 7:23. I'm led to believe the 992 will be similar or better than 991.2.

Cheers!

Mr. Turtles

GT3 is definitely never underwhelming IMHO but they're two different cars often for different uses. I guess a GT3 can be a daily driver if you like the rawness and can accept that you will almost never be able to use all the power, which is true for many cars these days. The 992S is going to be fast but may not feel like it because is does it with such ease and refinement compared to the Porsche GT cars. I had a 991S and there's no comparison with a GT car for feel and driving enjoyment but I do spend a lot of time on track where it really wakes up.

DallasVP17

Really? I drove the standard F90 M5 before I got my CS, I thought the M5 was crazy fast. I didn't think the Carrera S even compared to the M5 in terms of acceleration. I even used the "bonkers" button (whatever its called, that provides extra boost for 20 seconds) when on the highway in the 992 - just wasn't impressed.

DallasVP17

I have been debating a 991.2 GT3, but haven't had a chance to drive one yet. Can you tell me how the torque feels? I actually have a future order with my dealer for the 992 GT3 but it will be a 25k ADM which I really don't want to pay, hence considering a 991.2.

rk-d

Yeah, don't know what to tell you. Drove the two back to back and I've had the M5 Comp for a year. Kept the 992 overnight for an extended test drive. I'm trading the M5 Comp in for the 992 C2S, as a matter of fact. Beyond the power, there is something to the way a Porsche drives that you don't get with BMW.

I used to own a 991.2 TT and it is faster than both, but it's not massively different. If you are looking for true next level power, then the 992 TT/TTS will not disappoint.

aggie57

If you don't like it, don't buy one. Simple.

DallasVP17

Definitely not a troll, true car enthusiast and love Porsche. True the 992 posted better numbers on track, I think what it must be is the feel/experience. The CS is more stiff and track focused, the Carrera S is so refined and mature. Maybe I just need to find a GT3 and see if that is what will provide the experience I want.

DallasVP17

Crazy how two people can have such different impressions from the same car. I'll reach out to my dealer and see if i can drive a TT and a GT3 (if they ever get one in).

Mr. Turtles

It's difficult to say how the torque feels as that's very different from one person to another, obviously no turbo lag, and launch control will put a smile on anyone's face. I personally just love how the car feels and find the torque curve perfect for track events. On the street I'm usually limited to 3 seconds of fun....or seriously risk my license. The torque at 100MPH on track just seems to keep coming on when on track. I really notice it on the long straights like back straight at VIR or Road Atlanta where you can really let it run. And the sound at 9000RPM is intoxicating and I only have stock exhaust...with aftermarket its even better. Check out this video for amazing sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Mx...ature=youtu.be

As you have mentioned you really need to try one to decide if its what you are looking for. Some people love the Turbo's and only drive on the street. To me that's just a waste of power or someone able to avoid the police better than me. I won't take those risks on street which is just crazy to me. Go try one, lots of 991.2 GT3s with low miles at reasonable prices.

vic55

I would suggest a repeat test drive and engage roads where the 992 shines and use the right rpm ranges and drive modes. I own an F90 M5 modded and while it crushes, its not as dynamic or as rewarding as the 992 (I took an extensive test drive and the repeated it 3 days later to kill the placebo). I had an F82 M4 Non CS tuned and while the car may have tq on demand, its still can be wild since the power out controls the chassis at times. The 992 is so well engineered from the steering and damper/chassis combo; it just drives better. If your sense of driving is only sheer speed and tq feel than it may not be for you or you were not in the right gear and/or rpm ranges. I never buy a car after one test drive because I either like it too much or dont like it enough and feel the car might deserve a 2nd review.

Normally when I get a new chassis Porsche I like to do multiple drives. I did this with the 993, 997.1, 997.1, 991.1 and then 991.2 (still have a GTS Cab). 450 hp in car never drives better IMHO. Porsche just does such a great job with less hp. If you must have thrust beyond belief you might want to look into the Turbo S model.

dhirm5

Had the same thought. Perhaps he wasn't in an aggressive enough PDK mode, or didn't manually kick down to be in the right rev range when applying throttle. He's prob just used to DCT's tuning vs PDK. That took me a bit to adjust to from my F10 M5.

P.S. Glad to see you here - been a while.

DBH

In a straight line a 992 S will out drag a 991.2 GT3. If you really want to go wild (and have the $$) get a GT2RS.

As mentioned, the Porsche 992 S beats an M3 Comp in all measurable performance metrics. So, I'm not sure what you're getting at except that everyone's butt dyno seems to be calibrated differently.

GrantG

Not sure this is true. Porsche claims faster 0-60 for the GT3 and the additional hp and Vmax should favor the GT3 on longer acceleration runs. But they're pretty closely matched for that sort of thing. If the OP thinks the 992S has too little torque, then the GT3 has even less. GT3 really demands that you work the gearbox to keep the engine on full boil.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/po...-quarter-mile/

And this site lists both cars at 11.2s in the 1/4 Mile with the GT3 having a faster speed. With hot tires, the GT3 should get a good jump (stock Cup tires are stickier).

https://fastestlaps.com/makes/porsche