Big Swole

I knew you weren't a Troll. Just maybe confused...lol

If you decide to go with a fast diesel truck..Lemme know!! I'll built / had a few.

chance6

I was just thinking about the 992S today...443 hp. To me a 500 hp GT3 is more awake strolling at 40 mph, knowing you have the 500 hp on tap. I would encourage a try in the GT3.

chance6

This is disgusting. Isn't that their WHOLE freaking function?? Customer service?? THAT'S THEIR JOB

chance6

Think you meant GT3 here, and yes, you'd be right, other than about 0-80 mph the GT3 will begin to pull away. Higher horsepower, and not by a small amount. Ram air intake suggest another 15 hp at speed. You're talking 515 hp against 450 hp. And the C2S weighs more.

Here we go again.

Bob Z.

Drive a 991.2 GTS with a tune and I will bet the word "underwhelming" will not be what you say when you get out.

chance6

Truth be told, the .2 GTS and 992S are very quick and all you really need on the street, if we're being realistic.

rouxeny

I really do think some of it has to do with how the throttle mapping is between a M3 and 992. BMW M car mapping, especially in any kind of sport mode, is super twitchy. A 10% push of the gas gets you to what feels like 50% of the max throttle. This makes for a car that feels very fast and aggressive. But I found somewhat difficult to drive smoothly. When I drove the 992, the mapping was much more linear. 10% push gets you 10% throttle. This is desirable as it allows better and more finely tuned control of the car. But for somebody who is used to a BMW, the immediate impression is that a 992 feels slow. The same amount of pedal movement makes a M car jump ahead, and is still in the lazy zone for a 992.

Just a first impression difference. Clearly as you spend more time with either car, you’d adapt.

Dzu

I had M4 and 992s now. M4s lack of adherence makes you think you re in a rocket that will destroy a MCL Senna. But in reality, put your M4 next to a 992s and you will have a surprise. It will beat you in straight line, no need to discuss about the track times.

Doug H

That was somewhat my comment as well, but seriously . . . let's looks at some objective facts.

The 992 is over 4 seconds quicker than the F8X street platform around Laguna Seca and more than 2 seconds quicker than the M4 GTS (on Rs!!!) around Laguna Seca. I raced and taught at Skip Barber there for years and can unequivocally tell you that hat 4 seconds is an eternity on that track or any shorter track.

My all time favorite car is the 458 and I just picked up my third. There is nothing underwhelming about that car. The 992 was quicker than a 458 round Laguna Seca.

I can see someone saying they don't like the 992 for aesthetics or other more subjective reasons, but saying performance when coming from something like an M3. My thought is they either lack car control skills to explore, appreciate or understand the car's capability or limits or they are just trolling to mess with folks. The 992 is world class performance and way, way more than anyone needs for public streets.

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

Big Swole

Folks... Folks...

I personally think the OP was "Simply" gauging the straight line acceleration of them...Nothing more in my opinion. I think the most accurate excuse someone gave was probably throttle mapping.

But for someone like me (maybe him as well), it can take quite a bit to impress for Straight line speed.

Like my vid above..I had a diesel truck that made 1050 WHP / 1700 WTQ and ran a 10.70 @ 130, which is slightly quicker than my tuned Turbo S!!! I'm now used to the power in my TTS and it feels slower to me (as they all do after getting used to it).

So once you're used to a certain amount of power, it takes a good bit extra to feel "impressed". That's All I think he meant. I didn't hear him compare ALL the other stuff everyone keeps defending the 992 for. I'm SURE it's all of those things..It's a Porsche!! Of course it is... He just wasn't comparing that part yet.

Just my .02

So, OP....Give it another shot and if it still isn't what you want "power wise" and that's what makes your boat float, the GO DRIVE A TURBO S or something even quicker (not too many out there).

icanthelpit

Yep resale for BMWs is lousy. I still think they are pretty decent mass market cars. Just need to go into them with the understanding upon a trade or sale you’re going to take a big hit. For some it doesn’t matter and can be justified for personal, qualitative reasons. 911s are a different story. Heck I’ve owned 6 BMWs (3, 5 and 7 Series) since 1985 and 5 911’s in that time. I’ve lost $ on every BMW and 1 of the 911’s. It will be losses on 2 911’s since I doubt my 991.2 is special in the resale world. As far as an M3 outgunning a Carrera S of the same vintage, I find it hard to believe and a comical comparison.

fast1

The 992S can do a 3 sec 0-60, and although acceleration standards are rapidly changing, that's a very quick time IMO. The 911s have just gotten too big for me, and I'm not a fan of the 992, specially the rear end, but I certainly wouldn't question its performance. It's near the top in every performance category. Of course if you have substantial financial resources, Porsche offers faster cars from the $200K+ TurboS to the $1M 918. As far as M3s are concerned, they are fantastic cars, and it's amazing what they have done with a car which is built on the pedestrian 3 series platform. 911s OTOH are built from the ground up with one thing in mind: performance. So it's not really fair to compare M3s to 911s, when only performance is considered. The current M4 is a great choice for the family man who wants a performance car and requires a practical backseat.

Doug H

Then why spend dollars on a base 992 if focus is drag strip level straight line performance. Keep the M4 and do chip, headers/full eavhaust and save your $$$. That said, there really is not that much difference between the 992 4S and your modified Turbo S and the 4S could be tuned as well.

Candidly, I have never understood the excitement of drag racing though and I have taken my past Porsche Turbos up to 750 hp at the wheels, but even those I took to a road course and not a drag strip.

If you want an an adrenaline rush, go to a road course like Laguna Seca. That takes skill, last for more than 10 seconds and can see higher speeds.

So my disconnect is with the whole drag race thing which seems underwhelming compared to navigating high speed Ss, double apex caraseouls, high speed decreasing radius turns and etc. at or hear a car’s limits.

Big Swole

Oh don't get me wrong..I LOVE road course racing / driving... I just don't have the coin to do it often like some do. That would be my preferred past time, but drag racing is something I've done since my teenage years and it's fairly cheap by comparison. BTW, I did lots of track days on Two Wheels for a lot of my life. Road Atlanta, Barber, Jennings GP, & Little Tally GP. So I'm no stranger to that rush it gives you...Just WAY More dangerous on Two Wheels.

I love the feel of a hard pull in a straight line. It never gets old to me.

Yes, the 992 with a tune would be simply awesome and right there with my TTS, but I'd rather have a tuned / modded 991 Turbo S though. 700-800 WHP would be about perfect for my taste (until I got used to it..lol )

pitt911

wow tough crowd beating on the guy
Let me clear up some issues as I love both brands and own/owned a bunch of them
1. I owned 2015 M3 non comp, 2018 M3 Comp , and currently own 2018 M3CS... The car has evolved over the years and the CS is a great car ... Actually I agree with OP that M3CS feels faster than 992 S.. I don't own the 992 , but on two test drives that is the feeling I got. The M3CS has different mapping than regular M3 and is lighter as it has CF hood, roof, and trunk as compared to regular M3 which has only CF roof and trunk.. and the handling is better in CS as it has staggered wheels
2. F90 Comp is in a different league as far as speed so lets leave it alone
3. as far as depreciation, all brands depreciate , but some models worse than others ... so IMO depreciation has no bearing on evaluating car performance .. have you seen the depreciation on Panamera turbo S
but overall 911 including 992 is a completely different car than M3 , but it does not make m3 trash
Op , if you need any advice on GT cars , you can pm questions, but in one word : Awesome