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Selo 03-10-2019 11:31 AM
992 MT
 
Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs? I'll believe it when I see it.
Also, in the 991 I don't find the MT very satisfying. Is it possible it's going to be an even worse set-up in 992, even more of an afterthought given the declining take rate? Or will they improve on the 991 MT? Anyone have any insight on this?

LexVan 03-10-2019 11:49 AM
No skepticism by me. I expect it.

hinckley 03-10-2019 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by Selo (Post 15693346)
Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs?
No.

Pointbye 03-10-2019 03:16 PM
It seems your tin foil hat may be a little too snug.

Selo 03-10-2019 08:48 PM
Could be. My dealer has no order-accepted dates. I'm tired of and gun-shy from the slow strangulation of products. Turbo. GT3. M5. M6. 4 series verts. Pretty much all BMWs now. All the cars I aspired to own are now available only in automatic. I worked all these years and always assumed I'd own some of them, and now if I'm going to get one it's going to be someone else's secondhand machine.
From their point of view I'd understand dropping the option on cabs. What's the take rate going to be on 992 cabs? Maybe 10% if we're lucky?

Bobby 911 03-10-2019 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Selo (Post 15693346)
Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs? I'll believe it when I see it.
Also, in the 991 I don't find the MT very satisfying. Is it possible it's going to be an even worse set-up in 992, even more of an afterthought given the declining take rate? Or will they improve on the 991 MT? Anyone have any insight on this?
You need to try the 7MT in the Carrera T with the short shifter and shorter gearing. It is absolutely phenomenal.

Carrera-T 03-10-2019 11:04 PM
Agree! The manual in the Carrera T is an amazing and pure driving experience.

evilfij 03-11-2019 01:09 AM
I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.

seis-speed 03-11-2019 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by evilfij (Post 15694887)
I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.
In North America
BMW M2 take rate has been 50%
BMW M3 take rate was over 25%

That is with dealers primarily ordering the more expensive DCT.
Those are the types of numbers that make manufactures take notice.

Bobby 911 03-11-2019 07:18 AM
Originally Posted by evilfij (Post 15694887)
I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.
And that changes the gearing, too? :rolleyes:

Selo 03-11-2019 09:50 AM
I'll give the T a try.

Bob Z. 03-11-2019 09:58 AM
OP: Why don't you find the MT very satisfying? Compared to what? I think the manual in my 991.2 is quite satisfying, and I have owned/driven MTs all my life.

evilfij 03-11-2019 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by Bobby 911 (Post 15695075)


And that changes the gearing, too? :rolleyes:
No, but T gearing is the same as S and GTS. The steeper gearing is a minimal difference between the T and the base.

evilfij 03-11-2019 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by seis-speed (Post 15694966)
In North America
BMW M2 take rate has been 50%
BMW M3 take rate was over 25%

That is with dealers primarily ordering the more expensive DCT.
Those are the types of numbers that make manufactures take notice.
As I said, a few others like the Miata. ;)

Golf R seems to have a lot of manuals too, but I don’t have a percentage. Even things you think would be a high take rate like challenger are low take rates. The stat I read for all cars for 2018 was 3% down from 30% in 1990.

Selo 03-11-2019 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Bob Z. (Post 15695227)
OP: Why don't you find the MT very satisfying? Compared to what? I think the manual in my 991.2 is quite satisfying, and I have owned/driven MTs all my life.
I'm not as much of a student of the cars as some of you - just doesn't feel nearly as good as my 997 did or especially my 981 Spyder.


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