GT3 Rumors
01-29-2019, 10:45 AM
#136
Banned
I somewhat daily drove an Elise for a couple of years (2006ish to 2009sih). . . split daily duties between it and a 997.1 tt cab. For most of its life, my Elise had about 180 pounds stripped out, stiff Ohlin suspension, lexan windshield and would ring your ears with a cat bypass and stage II factory exhaust. As long as it had a stereo, AC and a heater, it was good enough for me to use as a work commuter and it got like 30+ miles per gallon.
RE: Boxters
Absolutely lost count of the number of 911s I have owned, raced and daily driven since the 80s, 51 now. Although I did some spec Boxter racing many years ago mainly because they were cheap to operate and that class and spec Miata were a hoot competition wise, I have never been the least bit tempted to purchase a Boxter for street use. Most long time 911 guys I know are the same way. The 911 is evolving exactly as it needs to and remains one of the all around best sports cars in the world. Trying to back track it and make it more like a Boxter serves little purpose from a very broad marketing perspective with the Boxter/Caymen type options already out there.
At the end of the day, Porsche knows what its doing much better than most of those getting all worked up on here which I suspect speaks more about the person than the actual new car. This happens ever single time a new model comes out and even happened on here back when the 997.1 came out . . . and most of those in these 992s threads bashing or complaining about the 992 do the same when any 991.1 v. 991.2 threads arise.
RE: Boxters
Absolutely lost count of the number of 911s I have owned, raced and daily driven since the 80s, 51 now. Although I did some spec Boxter racing many years ago mainly because they were cheap to operate and that class and spec Miata were a hoot competition wise, I have never been the least bit tempted to purchase a Boxter for street use. Most long time 911 guys I know are the same way. The 911 is evolving exactly as it needs to and remains one of the all around best sports cars in the world. Trying to back track it and make it more like a Boxter serves little purpose from a very broad marketing perspective with the Boxter/Caymen type options already out there.
At the end of the day, Porsche knows what its doing much better than most of those getting all worked up on here which I suspect speaks more about the person than the actual new car. This happens ever single time a new model comes out and even happened on here back when the 997.1 came out . . . and most of those in these 992s threads bashing or complaining about the 992 do the same when any 991.1 v. 991.2 threads arise.
It's BoxSter, not Boxter.
01-29-2019, 11:15 AM
#137
Banned
The 987.2 Spyder would have been ideal for me if it had a top that I could put up/down without leaving the seat -- essential here in the NE where we raise/lower tops many times a day. With tech advancements over the last decade, I'm sure that the 718 boxster/cayman platform could be the base for a 2500lb NA Porsche roadster/coupe. The 992 just seems too big and 2900lb would be rock bottom of what's achievable there, though nothing to sneeze at either -- and would love it if Porsche proved me wrong.
01-29-2019, 11:41 AM
#138
Banned
One more thought...
Working/focusing/R&D on lightness NOW goes along with the current/future "save the planet!" regulatory trends in two important ways: (1) lighter cars use less gas/energy, and (2) making the current platforms lighter prevents the future EV models from becoming 4000lb+ beasts due to batteries' weight.
Working/focusing/R&D on lightness NOW goes along with the current/future "save the planet!" regulatory trends in two important ways: (1) lighter cars use less gas/energy, and (2) making the current platforms lighter prevents the future EV models from becoming 4000lb+ beasts due to batteries' weight.
01-29-2019, 01:42 PM
#139
Rennlist Member
This would have to be a new platform, and economically that means a shared platform with something other than the 982/992. Someone smarter than I am has probably already done some studies or at least doodling, but if we're just dreaming my objective would be to make some sort of VAG platform that can be front-engined/AWD or rear-engined/RWD for an ICE flat four or very small-bore six that's as intelligent for an EV powertrain. McPherson struts all around, with rears mirroring the front plus a link a la 986/987 gear. You either get a reasonably useful frunk or a really big trunk. I think that car could be a new 986/996, even if both versions have their powerplant in the same location. Every low-tech inexpensive lesson learned in shaving weight out of the 918, 991, 992, etc would be applied—Gorilla Glass, shaved carpets, the poly bumpers first used at the rear of the 991.1 RS, etc. Guiding principle inside would be two seats (maybe +2 emergency seats no bigger than 901), a steering wheel, 2-3 pedals, two control stalks, and a dock for your smartphone in a smart place. Hard-wearing materials inside, like 356/901 square-weave carpeting. If people want to add equipment or "fancy," let them option it up. Not even sure I would bother with a cabrio, as that might get people to step up to the 718—but I wouldn't leave it out of the realm of possibility.
The 911 is evolving exactly as it needs to and remains one of the all around best sports cars in the world. Trying to back track it and make it more like a Boxter serves little purpose from a very broad marketing perspective with the Boxter/Caymen type options already out there.
At the end of the day, Porsche knows what its doing much better than most of those getting all worked up on here which I suspect speaks more about the person than the actual new car. This happens ever single time a new model comes out and even happened on here back when the 997.1 came out . . . and most of those in these 992s threads bashing or complaining about the 992 do the same when any 991.1 v. 991.2 threads arise.
At the end of the day, Porsche knows what its doing much better than most of those getting all worked up on here which I suspect speaks more about the person than the actual new car. This happens ever single time a new model comes out and even happened on here back when the 997.1 came out . . . and most of those in these 992s threads bashing or complaining about the 992 do the same when any 991.1 v. 991.2 threads arise.
The 987.2 Spyder would have been ideal for me if it had a top that I could put up/down without leaving the seat -- essential here in the NE where we raise/lower tops many times a day. With tech advancements over the last decade, I'm sure that the 718 boxster/cayman platform could be the base for a 2500lb NA Porsche roadster/coupe. The 992 just seems too big and 2900lb would be rock bottom of what's achievable there, though nothing to sneeze at either -- and would love it if Porsche proved me wrong.
Working/focusing/R&D on lightness NOW goes along with the current/future "save the planet!" regulatory trends in two important ways: (1) lighter cars use less gas/energy, and (2) making the current platforms lighter prevents the future EV models from becoming 4000lb+ beasts due to batteries' weight.
01-29-2019, 05:34 PM
#140
Banned
Just picked up a 05 987.1 Boxster S with 6MT, PASM, Sport Chrono, and heated Sport Seats Plus. Was looking for a 981 but couldn't resist the gorgeous GT Silver + full natural brown leather combo and the stupendous bang/$:https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...p-a-987-a.html
01-29-2019, 06:05 PM
#141
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01-29-2019, 11:22 PM
#142
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LOL! Projecting much? You and your "long time 911 guys that are the same way" better get your issues resolved before always-knows-best Porsche slaps a 911 badge on a Panamera or a Cayenne and tricks you into buying it. Not that there'd be anything wrong with that.
It's BoxSter, not Boxter.
It's BoxSter, not Boxter.
01-29-2019, 11:28 PM
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01-30-2019, 12:04 AM
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I have a 2017 F80 manual ZCP. My first experience with a BMW and without a doubt the most disappointing, perhaps worst, car I have ever owned. I cannot see myself ever driving another BMW once I finally get rid of this one and no way would I own one out of warranty.
01-30-2019, 12:10 AM
#145
Go drive an E90. Even a base model with the 230 HP I6. You'll enjoy it.
01-30-2019, 03:56 AM
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M4 comp. is too heavy and with a boring 3liters twinturbo
sold it without regrets
the only 200k twinturbo heavy car i would be interested is the AMG GTR but the crap no track warranty keep me skeptical
488 Pista is now my target
sold it without regrets
the only 200k twinturbo heavy car i would be interested is the AMG GTR but the crap no track warranty keep me skeptical
488 Pista is now my target
01-30-2019, 08:56 PM
#150
All the F30 derivatives drive like crap. Particularly compared to the talkative, free revving, hydraulically steered E90.
As for the E90 M3, it has ITBs. Who doesn't want those.
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