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Old 01-12-2019, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Z.
My first 911 was an '87 930 and I now have a 991.2, which I think is beautiful in its Targa form. I cannot see how anyone would think a 997 looks better, and the 992 will be uglier in person when I see one up close; "a picture is worth a thousand words."
I have a 991.2 Turbo as well. Lol, it is pretty brainless debate about which 911 is better looking! It is all subjective and generally dictated by the model one owns!

I am looking to pick up another 2012 GTS right now with a hard to find factory installed aero kit. I guarantee you long term, the 997.2 will out value the 991.1 or 991.2.

BTW, I purchased an 89 930 Cab new and used it as a daily until I purchased a 91 965. Candidly, I think my next car after that may actually be my favorite 911 of all time . . . 94 3.6 T. I sold my second 94 in 2004 for $58,000. It was black with can can red interior and black deviating runs. Man o man I wish I had that one back!
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993 and 991s are seen by most to be the best looking of the 911s......subjective but polls usually show this with 997 and first generation steps ahead of the 996 and 964.......

It seems the two main things bothering loyalists most are the rear end look/light treatment and the shifter.......

Definitely takes our mind off the escalating prices....
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Originally Posted by abiazis
993 and 991s are seen by most to be the best looking of the 911s......subjective but polls usually show this with 997 and first generation steps ahead of the 996 and 964.......

It seems the two main things bothering loyalists most are the rear end look/light treatment and the shifter.......

Definitely takes our mind off the escalating prices....
I think the nubbin is great... only because more people will buy the stick out of self consciousness.

My biggest gripe is the weight gain.
Old 01-12-2019, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by abiazis
993 and 991s are seen by most to be the best looking of the 911s......subjective but polls usually show this with 997 and first generation steps ahead of the 996 and 964.......

It seems the two main things bothering loyalists most are the rear end look/light treatment and the shifter.......

Definitely takes our mind off the escalating prices....
Lol . . . Ask a 997.2 owner and they will tell you 997.2 is better looking. Problem here is there a way more 991s than 997.2s so polls are pretty meaningless to me as well and not all people have great taste anyway.

I do like the looks of the 991.X Turbo better than the 997 Turbo, but I think the NA 997s look better than the base and S 991s.

I really like the looks of the 997.2 GTS with the factory tail. I want a black one to set back and sit on for a long while.

I do agree with the guy above about 991 Targa. I love the way those look as well and was thinking about picking up a 2016 GTS Targa, but I rather have the 2012 GTS aero kit.

One cannot go wrong with any of them!
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Originally Posted by abiazis
993 and 991s are seen by most to be the best looking of the 911s......subjective but polls usually show this with 997 and first generation steps ahead of the 996 and 964.......

It seems the two main things bothering loyalists most are the rear end look/light treatment and the shifter.......

Definitely takes our mind off the escalating prices....
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I started the thread but I am not just brainlessly bashing the 992

I started with a 911 SC, I have had a 996C4S , a 993, 986, and two Macans. I like the 997 but I share the opinion of many that the 993 and 991 are the best looking. My gripes with the 992 are the gaping maw up front, the fat featureless expanse of an ***, fake tail pipes, idiotic looking third brake light, the interior, the nubbin, the fake gauges...the weight gain, the cost and the ever forward march away from a sports car to a grand tourer. And that interior shelf is an insult to the tasteful lowkey shelf on the dash of my 993. I dont have to see the 992 in person to dislike it. I was going to do a euro delivery in Leipzig in the fall for a trip to Berlin and Poland but not now. My first Macan was delivered in Zuffenhausen so Leipzig is just closer to the trip destinations.
i dont care for a 718, or a Panamera even though they are very nice vehicles. New Macan ? Nope, rear end looks like a Dodge Durango. Porsche will no longer get a new car sale out of me, And that really makes me sad. It makes me more sad as where Porsche is headed as a company, more lifestyle, less adrenaline or pure sportscar excellence.

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Originally Posted by DB_NC_95C2
I started the thread but I am not just brainlessly bashing the 992

I started with a 911 SC, I have had a 996C4S , a 993, 986, and two Macans. I like the 997 but I share the opinion of many that the 993 and 991 are the best looking. My gripes with the 992 are the gaping maw up front, the fat featureless expanse of an ***, fake tail pipes, idiotic looking third brake light, the interior, the nubbin, the fake gauges...the weight gain, the cost and the ever forward march away from a sports car to a grand tourer. And that interior shelf is an insult to the tasteful lowkey shelf on the dash of my 993. I dont have to see the 992 in person to dislike it. I was going to do a euro delivery in Leipzig in the fall for a trip to Berlin and Poland but not now. My first Macan was delivered in Zuffenhausen so Leipzig is just closer to the trip destinations.
i dont care for a 718, or a Panamera even though they are very nice vehicles. New Macan ? Nope, rear end looks like a Dodge Durango. Porsche will no longer get a new car sale out of me, And that really makes me sad. It makes me more sad as where Porsche is headed as a company, more lifestyle, less adrenaline or pure sportscar excellence.

I feel very similar....time for a Ferrari...
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Originally Posted by abiazis
I feel very similar....time for a Ferrari...
Wouldn't work for me as I must have a stick, and at this stage in my life I only buy new and make it the way I want. But getting back on topic I agree with Doug H (I am that guy by the way) that there have been enough pics of the 992 around to tell I will not like it, not to mention the unveiling video at the LA Show. I saw a rendering of the 992 Targa and even though I am biased I cannot see how anyone could say it looks better than the 991.2 Targa; he rendering is probably 99% accurate.
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Originally Posted by Bob Z.
Wouldn't work for me as I must have a stick, and at this stage in my life I only buy new and make it the way I want. But getting back on topic I agree with Doug H (I am that guy by the way) that there have been enough pics of the 992 around to tell I will not like it, not to mention the unveiling video at the LA Show. I saw a rendering of the 992 Targa and even though I am biased I cannot see how anyone could say it looks better than the 991.2 Targa; he rendering is probably 99% accurate.
You could wait for the GT3 or GT3T.
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You could wait for the GT3 or GT3T.
Forgot to add I must be able to drop the top, just as much as I need a manual, which eliminates a GT car. It will be interesting to see what they do with the new GT cars though.
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Originally Posted by Bob Z.
Forgot to add I must be able to drop the top, just as much as I need a manual, which eliminates a GT car. It will be interesting to see what they do with the new GT cars though.
718 Spyder 4.0?
Old 01-13-2019, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Z.
Forgot to add I must be able to drop the top, just as much as I need a manual, which eliminates a GT car. It will be interesting to see what they do with the new GT cars though.
DB11 Convertible. Better looking inside and out than a 911. Doesn't have the performance, but just as fun to drive and has plenty performance for public streets.


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Originally Posted by DB_NC_95C2
I started the thread but I am not just brainlessly bashing the 992

I started with a 911 SC, I have had a 996C4S , a 993, 986, and two Macans. I like the 997 but I share the opinion of many that the 993 and 991 are the best looking. My gripes with the 992 are the gaping maw up front, the fat featureless expanse of an ***, fake tail pipes, idiotic looking third brake light, the interior, the nubbin, the fake gauges...the weight gain, the cost and the ever forward march away from a sports car to a grand tourer. And that interior shelf is an insult to the tasteful lowkey shelf on the dash of my 993. I dont have to see the 992 in person to dislike it. I was going to do a euro delivery in Leipzig in the fall for a trip to Berlin and Poland but not now. My first Macan was delivered in Zuffenhausen so Leipzig is just closer to the trip destinations.
i dont care for a 718, or a Panamera even though they are very nice vehicles. New Macan ? Nope, rear end looks like a Dodge Durango. Porsche will no longer get a new car sale out of me, And that really makes me sad. It makes me more sad as where Porsche is headed as a company, more lifestyle, less adrenaline or pure sportscar excellence.



From that list, it does not appear you have ever purchased a 911 new so perhaps more brainless bashing than legit purchaser???

Wife has a Macan S. Decent for a small SUV, but a chicks car as is a Boxter.
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Originally Posted by abiazis
I feel very similar....time for a Ferrari...
It's always time for a Ferrari. My 458 street, not the challenge I have now, was perhaps my fav car ever including a CGT and a 2001 Lambo 6.0 (last of the real Lambos). The 488 is great, but I actually like the 458 better. I will go back to a Ferrari when the DB lease is up.
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Originally Posted by Doug H
...a chicks car as is a Boxter.
Never understood this and curious to learn. What makes the Boxster a chicks car vs the rest of the Porsches and sports cars in general?


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