992 has new/bigger turbos with more lag and 8 other facts!
12-18-2018, 08:13 PM
#17
Honestly, it would be both impressive and useful. It's stupid that the car has to downshift in the middle of a steep hill in the same location every single day, when the car knows perfectly well where it is, where it's going, and what it did the last 10 times it was here.
I've read that GPS-based shifting was patented by someone else, though, so the feature may not have been available to Porsche under reasonable terms. Sounds like they either licensed the patent or found a workaround. Wish I could remember who did this -- it seems like it was Rolls-Royce or Aston Martin or a similar company.
Any notion of limiting performance in certain areas is, of course, completely unacceptable. By all means, they should tie the GPS receiver to the PDK controller, but not to the paddles or the throttle.
I've read that GPS-based shifting was patented by someone else, though, so the feature may not have been available to Porsche under reasonable terms. Sounds like they either licensed the patent or found a workaround. Wish I could remember who did this -- it seems like it was Rolls-Royce or Aston Martin or a similar company.
Any notion of limiting performance in certain areas is, of course, completely unacceptable. By all means, they should tie the GPS receiver to the PDK controller, but not to the paddles or the throttle.
12-18-2018, 10:31 PM
#19
First off, the engine in the 992 has a higher compression ratio than the 991.2 and secondly the torque in the 992 S peaks at 530NM (relative to 550NM - 991.2 GTS) - the combination of these will be less feeling of lag (not that theres much when on the move and effectively none in S plus) and an even more linear feeling on the run up to 450HP. Look at the tqe/hp curves for the 991.2 GTS Vs 992 S.
On the nanny side of things - dangerous direction and far more consistent with the Carrera becoming a luxo GT cruiser, its certainly a Porker at nearly 1600kg.
On the nanny side of things - dangerous direction and far more consistent with the Carrera becoming a luxo GT cruiser, its certainly a Porker at nearly 1600kg.
12-18-2018, 10:37 PM
#20
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12-18-2018, 10:44 PM
#21
Racer
12-18-2018, 10:44 PM
#22
You have to be 100% conformist to think this sort of technology is OK or even suitable for a sports car.
The 992 lovers will chime in any second now with " this technology is so amazing and so advanced and is simply there to assist you when in areas that you shouldn't be speeding in anyways and want the car to simply "relax" in ".
That comment will also bring about the next generation of conformity which will be when this so called amazing tech limits your speed to whatever the posted speed limits are. That will be next big thing and one step closer to the self driving car....
Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of "advanced technology".
The 992 lovers will chime in any second now with " this technology is so amazing and so advanced and is simply there to assist you when in areas that you shouldn't be speeding in anyways and want the car to simply "relax" in ".
That comment will also bring about the next generation of conformity which will be when this so called amazing tech limits your speed to whatever the posted speed limits are. That will be next big thing and one step closer to the self driving car....
Using GPS to help the PDK predict shift points better? Give me break, is that really impressive to some? It's literally one more aspect of DRIVING A SPORTS CAR that just got taken away under the guise of "advanced technology".
12-19-2018, 08:37 PM
#24
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They stole that center tach straight out of a Ford Mustang. Horrible interior. It's such a departure from tradition.
12-19-2018, 11:01 PM
#25
Pro
I am 100% gonna wait before my order goes in - gonna see the new owner review first.
F that to ACC, if it aids in making a 911 a nagging car - I do not want a nagging car period This is absurd....I am buying a sports car not someone telling me when and where and how I should drive my sports car.
F that to ACC, if it aids in making a 911 a nagging car - I do not want a nagging car period This is absurd....I am buying a sports car not someone telling me when and where and how I should drive my sports car.
12-19-2018, 11:52 PM
#26
Dude.. The gauge cluster on the 992 is horrid. The font.. The colors. Very Infiniti-esq with that blue. The rings are bad too. Only thing nicer on the 992 is the giant screen.
Go to page 7 of that article.. All the 991 pieces look so much Porsche and much more serious.. The 991 gauges remain legendary. 5 big fat round dials with the tach almost on a pedestal.
I'm definitely not one of the 992 haters. I really like it but it makes me appreciate the 991 more than ever.
Go to page 7 of that article.. All the 991 pieces look so much Porsche and much more serious.. The 991 gauges remain legendary. 5 big fat round dials with the tach almost on a pedestal.
I'm definitely not one of the 992 haters. I really like it but it makes me appreciate the 991 more than ever.
Exactly!
Slippery slope that lulls the sheeple into complacency, with ever increasing encroachment on personal freedom all in the name of some ethereal “greater good.”
If people had ***** they would refuse to buy ever single solitary example of this and shove capitalistic power down their disgusting socialist throats.
If this is indeed true, well then Porsche...you’ll never ever get another dime from me.
Period.
12-20-2018, 12:22 AM
#27
Amazing how you don't get this imperative info until the next generation comes out. Explains some of my issues with the 991.2's throttle/power delivery.
"The 992’s 3.0-litre flat-six engine is based on the 991’s motor, but there are some crucial differences. When Porsche turbocharged the last 911 halfway through its life, it chose a bi-turbo set-up. The left-hand turbo was identical to the right-hand blower, but rotated through 180 degrees. This meant that the pipework feeding it with airflow was a bit longer and featured a sharper kink. So, it always worked a little less hard than the other turbo, which spooled up a mite quicker. So what? Well, it’s not great for throttle response, and Porsche even sussed out it was hurting emissions, because the catalytic convertor, which needs to get really hot before it works efficiently, was heating up unevenly."
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Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
"The 992’s 3.0-litre flat-six engine is based on the 991’s motor, but there are some crucial differences. When Porsche turbocharged the last 911 halfway through its life, it chose a bi-turbo set-up. The left-hand turbo was identical to the right-hand blower, but rotated through 180 degrees. This meant that the pipework feeding it with airflow was a bit longer and featured a sharper kink. So, it always worked a little less hard than the other turbo, which spooled up a mite quicker. So what? Well, it’s not great for throttle response, and Porsche even sussed out it was hurting emissions, because the catalytic convertor, which needs to get really hot before it works efficiently, was heating up unevenly."
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Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
12-20-2018, 07:19 AM
#28
That post would be a “Libertarian” yelling at the clouds chum.
But, hey, if you’re happy shelling out well over $120K for a sports car with built in computer controls that limit your ability to control the performance when it “thinks” it is improper to do so...have at and be a conformist little snowflake yourself whining about people who resist such intrusions.
12-20-2018, 12:28 PM
#29
Race Director
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Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
usual bull**** about how the new generation lost its way, which is exactly what the 997 people said about the 991. blah blah
12-20-2018, 02:10 PM
#30
Amazing how you don't get this imperative info until the next generation comes out. Explains some of my issues with the 991.2's throttle/power delivery.
"The 992’s 3.0-litre flat-six engine is based on the 991’s motor, but there are some crucial differences. When Porsche turbocharged the last 911 halfway through its life, it chose a bi-turbo set-up. The left-hand turbo was identical to the right-hand blower, but rotated through 180 degrees. This meant that the pipework feeding it with airflow was a bit longer and featured a sharper kink. So, it always worked a little less hard than the other turbo, which spooled up a mite quicker. So what? Well, it’s not great for throttle response, and Porsche even sussed out it was hurting emissions, because the catalytic convertor, which needs to get really hot before it works efficiently, was heating up unevenly."
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Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
"The 992’s 3.0-litre flat-six engine is based on the 991’s motor, but there are some crucial differences. When Porsche turbocharged the last 911 halfway through its life, it chose a bi-turbo set-up. The left-hand turbo was identical to the right-hand blower, but rotated through 180 degrees. This meant that the pipework feeding it with airflow was a bit longer and featured a sharper kink. So, it always worked a little less hard than the other turbo, which spooled up a mite quicker. So what? Well, it’s not great for throttle response, and Porsche even sussed out it was hurting emissions, because the catalytic convertor, which needs to get really hot before it works efficiently, was heating up unevenly."
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Separately, nothing speaks to the 992's changing the 911 character like all these "spec the wood" / "I like the wood now" comments. Wood in a 911 was always considered blasphemy, at least after the very, very early models when you couldn't escape wood in cars. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's about the wood. Couldn't have to do with the fact that the 992's interior feels more like an Audi A8 interior than it does a traditional 911 interior, now would it.
Isn't that hilarious about the asymmetrical turbo plumbing in the 991.2? I've never seen a single thing about that before this 992 launch. The 9A2 was nothing more than the result of a half a$$ed rush job in order to slap that turbo engine together and into the 991.2 by a team of reluctant engineers. No one wanted a downsized turbo Carrera including Porsche itself. They had to " make it work " then of course amp up the marketing hype and "more usable torque" benefit as a way to spin that negative into a positive.
While it's great to see they corrected this issue with 992 I was really hoping to see more in terms of better packaging ease of maintenance, a larger opening for engine access etc. Wishful thinking I know....