My LA Auto Show 992 Impressions - A Different View
#16
Registered User
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Cost savings. That was the first thing I noticed when I sat in the car.The PDK shifter doesn't bother at all. If it works on the 918, why not on the 911. Plus, shifting with the PDK lever in manual mode seems to be more trouble than it's worth, as that's what the paddles are for. Lambo, Ferrari, McLaren are all doing the same. It wouldve been better if they did away with the PDK shifter entirely, but I guess the module was already made since the MT is in the works. I guess we have the MT guys to thank for the PDK shifter design.
#17
RL Community Team
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That said, how do you think Porsche achieves such high profits per unit? It's not by throwing in freebies.
#18
My understanding is that "real exhausts" (by which I am guessing you mean ones where the tips are directly attached/welded to the exhaust) have a direct line to the engine/turbos..so when you get rear ended, the force can get transmitted along, and tear/damage those parts. The 992 way saves repair costs.
I imagine people can still buy aftermarket tips, and even weld/attach them to the exhaust if they desire.
I imagine people can still buy aftermarket tips, and even weld/attach them to the exhaust if they desire.
#20
Registered User
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Actually, I think it's Ferrari (at least for publicly traded companies where data is available).
That said, how do you think Porsche achieves such high profits per unit? It's not by throwing in freebies.
That said, how do you think Porsche achieves such high profits per unit? It's not by throwing in freebies.
#21
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#23
Regarding the "plasticness" of the steering wheel, it appears to me that the only difference between the 991 and 991 is the silver colored plastic spokes on the 991. Maybe some people were fooled into thinking the 991 has real aluminum?
#24
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My understanding is that "real exhausts" (by which I am guessing you mean ones where the tips are directly attached/welded to the exhaust) have a direct line to the engine/turbos..so when you get rear ended, the force can get transmitted along, and tear/damage those parts. The 992 way saves repair costs.
I imagine people can still buy aftermarket tips, and even weld/attach them to the exhaust if they desire.
I imagine people can still buy aftermarket tips, and even weld/attach them to the exhaust if they desire.
#25
Burning Brakes
I appreciate your thoughts and that you took the time to share. Too bad it wasn't during a press day when the car was unlocked. I would be very interested if your thoughts continued to be as positive on the interior as they are the exterior. The majority of people can't tell the difference from one 911 generation to the next and I expect that to continue with the 992. What's also interesting to me is the general public has responded very favorably to the 992. Between Reddit responses and even Porsche NA posting it on LinkedIn, comments have been extremely positive.
My real concern is the interior. And that's probably more a matter of taste than anything else. I'll reserve final judgement for when I see it live, but I'm underwhelmed. There are simply too many small things that, when added, just turn me off.
One thing is certain, piano black interiors have jumped the shark for me and I need that to happen for automakers sooner rather than later. That's a trend that needs to die.
My real concern is the interior. And that's probably more a matter of taste than anything else. I'll reserve final judgement for when I see it live, but I'm underwhelmed. There are simply too many small things that, when added, just turn me off.
One thing is certain, piano black interiors have jumped the shark for me and I need that to happen for automakers sooner rather than later. That's a trend that needs to die.
#26
Racer
#27
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The 911 is not a hybrid. As a result, the transmission is a key part of the driver's interaction with the car, whether it's a PDK or a a traditional manual. Your opinion regarding whether the PDK shifter should be used to change gears in manual mode is noted but not universally shared. This, despite your user name.
The 911 might or might not be a hybrid in the future. We pay Porsche for the car that is in our garage today, not for a car that they haven't even built. In general, this car makes an awful lot of compromises to accommodate features that aren't even available yet. The deprecated PDK shifter is only one of those compromises.
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#29
Thanks for taking the time to write up your visit. I like the differing perspective.
The 991.2 GTS is still on the configurator. I built a 992, and it came to around $141K. I then built a GTS with the same options. It was $139K. There are obvious advances in the 992 - the interior tech etc. that are not possible in a GTS. However, there is a difference in price and the GTS is a compelling option for those that don’t dig the 992.
BTW - you mentioned grey leather. There is no grey leather option with sport tex fabric. You must have been looking at the black with the sport tex. The lighting may have affected the color.
Regarding the GTS, I think that if you spec any S model (including 991.2) to include everything on a GTS that it’s going to be more expensive (or very close). I think that’s how they designed it and it’s the draw of the GTS model. It’s for people who want the most popular performance options (and also the people who just really really love Alcantra) and you get a bit of savings as a result and a bit more bang for your buck.
#30
I'm looking at my pictures and it seems that both the sports exhaust (single large exhaust tip) and the standard exhaust (double exhaust tip) both seem to have a two exhaust outlets on the inside (one larger oval and one smaller one). I'm looking very closely at the pictures and I don't notice anything that resembles a speaker, and I didn't notice that at the car show.
Also, regarding fake exhaust tips, I've always thought that it was a bit unfair to call them fake.
Also, regarding fake exhaust tips, I've always thought that it was a bit unfair to call them fake.
Last edited by An Miles; 12-05-2018 at 02:59 AM.